Beware Irish Hackers

[Cota]

Watch out for the Irish hackers...see image..

[Flash Gordon]

Nice! ;)

I heard that one before but as "The Amish Virus". But you have a better image.

[icemart525]

Ahhh is there a way to recover my files?

[tg]

wouldnt it be ironic if a jpeg virus was attached to that.....

you could send it out.... folks would open the image. read it, laugh. and mail it to all thier friends thinking man thats funny all the while spreading an actual virus.
hah!

[Cota]

tg...you clever clever man...I should do that...

[Flash Gordon]

Who would you target, Solaris? You love M$ :p

[Cota]

There are reasons I love M.S. For example, I've been working with PHP lately..and let me tell what a peice of sh*t, pointlessly over complicated language that is. Why cant I access query results directly..thats just retarded. Instead I have to dumb them into an array..what a waste..

[Flash Gordon]

yeah, everyone says PHP is an easy language to learn. I think it is rather difficult. And yea, that resource id stuff is rather wierd. It causes a lot of problems for people.

[Cota]

at least with ASP I can hit the recordset directly and have less overhead.

[Xeef]

$result = mysql_query("SELECT name FROM work.employee")
or die("Could not query: . mysql_error());
echo mysql_result($result,2);// outputs third employee's name


at least with ASP I can hit the recordset directly and have less overhead.

who say that ???

just because you not have to fetch it by your self it doesn't mean it's not fetched att all
it just mean you can't prevent feching :p

AND
mysql_fetch_row(), mysql_fetch_array(), mysql_fetch_assoc() and mysql_fetch_object().

you can chuse how to fetch
can you do so in ASP ?


http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/expertarticles/wpn-62-20051222ASPvsPHP.html

Speed

If we compare the speed of ASP and PHP then PHP has an upper hand. PHP code runs faster than ASP. ASP is built on COM based architecture, which is an overhead for the server whereas PHP code runs in its own memory space.

[Cota]

I would rather have overhead and power than redundancy and speed. Seems like everything in PHP has to be done twice. The only think I like about PHP is MD5() and some strip slashes functions.

[icemart525]

yes asp is neat and PHP is the quick-and-dirty type of solution but php is free and more secured.

[Cota]

The fact of that matter is this..The only reason PHP is this popular is because its not microsoft. Anything that goes against MS becomes widely accepted no matter how cluttered it is.

[icemart525]

yep, that's a fact and i agree. that's why it's free.

[tg]

if you running iis asp is free also.

also read a great article by an old php programmer who was forced to switch to coldfusion.

he discovered that coldfusion had so many thing canned and ready to go, that would need to be programmed in php that even tho a server cost money.... in the long run cold fusion was cheaper than php.... because programmers could get more work done quicker.



as a goblin i know likes to say. 'time is money friend'

[icemart525]

i'm talking about platforms and available resources for asp. it costs a lot of $$.

[snapple]

Why cant I access query results directly


you can - just the other day i returned a whole recordset directly to Flash and used the RecordSet datatype in the function that received the result from php - it was so nice to use.

Regards, snapple

[Cota]

Coldfusion huh..? so much crap to to learn and too much poker. Everything should be the way I do it...who agree's?

[tg]

nah... no need. if you know asp, and have clients to use it? dont bother.... used for pretty much the same stuff that asp and php are used for.

altho you can tie it very easily into flex and actionscript (directly in the coldfusion code) using the <cfform format="flash"></cfform> tags.

[Cota]

ColdFusion has always had my eye..just never got around to reading anything on it. Then again, I was the same way with PHP. guess its like a woman. She looks good and you cant keep yours eyes off her, then you get to know her and wish you never met her.

[tg]

i started as a vb and asp programmer..... when i started here, they told me... yeah. thats great. use flash and coldfusion.


anyway. coldfusion was really easy to learn. and its is much easier to use now and has way more functionality than when i started using it. also if you know any java programming (not javascript), then you also have a wide array of java functions to call on as well as the built in cf functions since the cfserver is built on java.

[CyanBlue]

its like a woman. She looks good and you cant keep yours eyes off her, then you get to know her and wish you never met her.
Hm... That's very nice and accurate analogy, Cota... :D
coldfusion was really easy to learn. That's very true... But I really hated the syntax which looks just like any types of TAG languages... That was the biggest tunf down point to me when I was going over it... Oh well... I can't have everything... :o

Just as a side note cuz I am curious about this while we are on the subject of thread hijacking... What's up with the commenting in ASP??? I needed to do something in ASP the other day and I was looking for the block comment, and the Google says that I can only do that by creating a dummy function and comment that function out... Is it the only way to do that in ASP??? There is nothing like /* ... */ in ASP??? and nobody complained for that???

[Xeef]

try :

'BlaBla


;)

[Xeef]

//Bla shoud also work ?

looking for the block comment

i just fly over 100Kb of MS asp code and didn't saw any "block comment"

but it soudn't by a problem to put a ' or // infront
unless you wana coment a few hundert lines of CODE temporary
and then a

Function dumy()
your comented code here
End Function

shoud by fine ;)

[CyanBlue]

Yeah... You can define a function(SUB/END SUB) and comment that function out but it does not look that intuitive... That's why I was asking... That's all... :)

[Xeef]

Hmmm

last and only time a have try asp was 5 year ago whit out internet or any documentation what was realy frustrating !

but as long i know there is no editor like in Flash wich woud do code higlighting or gray out comented lines

flash :
for (a=0;a<100;a++){
/*
Bla
Bla
Bla
Bla
Bla
this over 2-3 pages
i woud esaily see it because it's grayed out
*/
}

if the same woud work in asp
and you have mised the /* at the begining you woudn't know that this is comented out wich woud cause a lot of problems !!!

if you just wana write coments

//use of function
//a : counter
//U : array of users
....

looks better then
/*use of function
a : counter
U : array of users */

or atleast not worser
and it's minimal more typing

[tg]

many people who code asp use ms tools to do so.... in using these tools you can select a block of code (hightlight) then click a button and all will be commented out.

[MichaelxxOA]

The comment about php being more secure isn't very accurate. PHP is open source which means you can see how ANYTHING in the language is implemented. That definitly does not lend itself to security.

ASP is a closed product. I take no sides in this matter, I have to use both at work every day. But some pros/cons.

ASP is integrated so well into the server for one reason, the people who make ASP also make every technology that runs on the server, which provides limitless integration. ASP can also be compiled down to dll files, which allows you a little more security as far as source code is concerned.

PHP is free, and regardless of what everyone says, it works and it does it well. It's open source so you can configure the language if the need arises.

These are big points for me.

_Michael

[Cota]

Just as a side note cuz I am curious about this while we are on the subject of thread hijacking... What's up with the commenting in ASP??? I needed to do something in ASP the other day and I was looking for the block comment, and the Google says that I can only do that by creating a dummy function and comment that function out... Is it the only way to do that in ASP??? There is nothing like /* ... */ in ASP??? and nobody complained for that???

Its not hijacking if I hijacked my own thread...or would that be considered a suicide attempt..hmm..things to ponder..

Anyway, in ASP there is no Block commenting. Just start every line with "//". Like Michael said, the DLL functionality in ASP is golden...but the hosting companies rob your ass blind with it.

I get nervous with PHP security..So, is it possible to see my PHP code...cause I really dont want people seeing my SQL Statement.

[MichaelxxOA]

The block comment statement is only applicable to ASP when programmed in VB. If you are programming in C# you have block comments available to you.

Take Care.

_Michael

[Cota]

thats only in .NET though..

[MichaelxxOA]

yeah... :) my bad.

_Michael

[Cota]

I hated the whole .NET thing..ASP was ASP, VB as VB and C was C..now who knows whats what anymore..

[Xeef]

The comment about php being more secure isn't very accurate. PHP is open source which means you can see how ANYTHING in the language is implemented. That definitly does not lend itself to security.

i disager on this !!!

it's secure because you see ANYTHING !!!

a blackbox like ASP can never by so secure as an open project !
if there is a miss implementation no one will see it
expect a few cracker
who will use the hole but probably don't make it public !

or some bug will by handed over over x versions
and end up in a state where it will by a nightmare to fit it !


ASP is integrated so well into the server for one reason, the people who make ASP also make every technology that runs on the server, which provides limitless integration.

it applys to the windows version but not to the linux one
if you ignore the linux one you are restricted to windows !
(and also not, because linux is open sorce so they can also limitless integrat ASP)

as linux is open sorce and apache also PHP developer have the same start
whit PHP linux
as MS whit ASP Windows

[Cota]

ASP is still better :p

[Xeef]

:p

NO ! never !

[Flash Gordon]

Time to compare features? I'm a dunce when it comes to this stuff.

Can ASP/CF do:

Make swf files?
make/scan image files?
chmod permissions on Un*x?

[icemart525]

ASP.NET runs on IIS, which has been compromised innumerable times, as evidenced by IT news reports every other week. It has become such a liability, in fact, that in spite of all the marketing dollars spent on it, many IT professionals refuse to have their networks exposed with an IIS Web server. PHP, however, works with Apache, which has a proven track record of speed, reliability, and hardened security.

[icemart525]

I hated the whole .NET thing..ASP was ASP, VB as VB and C was C..now who knows whats what anymore..
maybe next you don't need to code anymore, just click and drag. or just click next -> next .. finish and then walla you have a new software.

[Flash Gordon]

maybe next you don't need to code anymore, just click and drag. or just click next -> next .. finish and then walla you have a new software.
Did you just "bitch slap" Cota? What are you saying?

[Cota]

I dont think he "bitched slapped" me...I got what he was saying, I think. The reality is that everyone bashes Microsoft because they are MS...I have been developing on windows for years, my father is Unix Developer..lets just say I have less security concerns than he does. So if you believe everything you read put out by Oracle or Apache supports, then you might as well support George Bush on his conquest.

[icemart525]

what i'm saying I like vb more than vb.net or asp more than asp.net, because in .net you can create a system connected to database without coding. i feel like MS is taking it all. what will happen is, programmers in the future will forget how to code.

[Cota]

I'm the same way..I hate .NET. I miss good ole VB6 and ASP...good times good times..

[icemart525]

I dont think he "bitched slapped" me...I got what he was saying, I think. The reality is that everyone bashes Microsoft because they are MS...I have been developing on windows for years, my father is Unix Developer..lets just say I have less security concerns than he does. So if you believe everything you read put out by Oracle or Apache supports, then you might as well support George Bush on his conquest.
yes you're right, i did not check the MS side. Everyone is saying PHP or anything !MS is better. :o

[Flash Gordon]

gotcha ;)

[icemart525]

but still, we need to upgrade and learn new things to survive. :D

[tg]

Time to compare features? I'm a dunce when it comes to this stuff.

Can ASP/CF do:

Make swf files?
make/scan image files?
chmod permissions on Un*x?


cf can on all. cf runs just fine on apache/*nix.
cf is made by macromedia it has many swf/actionscript built right into the library
not sure what you mean about the second one there?

[Flash Gordon]

Unix servers have mod permssions. (ie 700, 644) Windows does not.

When cf is on unix can it set the permission like php can?

Make sense?

EDIT: Opps thats is the 3rd. Well the second one....PHP has a GD libary where is can create dynamic images on the fly. It can also take pre-made images and over lap them, re arrange them, etc... It can also get pixels and colors of images. Can the others do that?

[tg]

as for block comments. in asp (at least old) you could choose wether you were going to program in vbscript or javascript. you can write asp with javascript language.... so there you would have the same block commenting you have in as/js.

[Flash Gordon]

Did you just mean to reply to CyanBlue's recent thread.

I'm confused:confused:

[tg]

Did you just mean to reply to CyanBlue's recent thread.

I'm confused:confused:


yes.


as to other.

cf can tie directly into many of the java class libraries... so yes it can do those things and more i would imagine.... i don't know how. but i believe it can.

[icemart525]

i think asp.net can do what php does right now.