a very newblack farewell

[newblack]

i know conor oberst said it, and plenty before him: if you love something give it away.

no, i'm not leaving because of oldnewbie, i simply won't return until he's been banned. if you've an inkling of why i'd be moved to do this, take one for the team with me and let your beloved as[org] go until it's lopped off its gangrene. (it'd be called a strike if we were underpaid pipe-fitters in ohio)

certainly i risk running this alone and/or never returning- it's a risk i'm willing to take because this place is so very great...

farewell,

drew

[Assertnfailure]

did oldnewbie manage to pull something unusually extreme that I don't know about? o.O

[Ruben]

I'm with you newblack. [period]

- Ruben

[____]

You know things have gone overboard when a post collector who has been banned at another prominent actionscript forum, and rarely has anything sans snide comments to say is all but forcing productive members of the community to leave.
He was one of the big reasons I stopped posting here with any frequency. I'll certainly support this cause.
Eric

[____]

-100 points for horrid bright eyes reference

[MichaelxxOA]

I completely agree and support your guys' decisions.

I have made an obligation to help on these forums when it is needed (as a moderator). I will continue to help, and gladly take on the extra work.

I more than support what is happening.

Michael

[Assertnfailure]

on a contradictory note, I disapprove of the notion of blackmailing mods into taking an action that they didn't want to take. In the "Forum Warriors" realm, this would be the characteristic of a rebel leader (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelleader.htm)

That's really what this strike would boil down to...an opposition to the mods' leniency in the forums rather than the participation of another individual.

Although I do agree everyone (including the mods) can be a little too friendly to the point of being victimized around here.

[CyanBlue]

Hey, newblack... We love you here and appreciate what you have done and what you are going to... Go take some time off of this place and get yourself recharged and come back...
Even though you do not agree with some specific person, you know you can just ignore that person and more focus on helping other people who really need your personal touch... Don't forget that... ;)

Have a great time out there and don't forget to let us know what's out there for those poor souls who are trapped here without sunlight... ;)

[____]

on a contradictory note, I disapprove of the notion of blackmailing mods into taking an action that they didn't want to take. In the "Forum Warriors" realm, this would be the characteristic of a rebel leader (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelleader.htm)

That's really what this strike would boil down to...an opposition to the mods' leniency in the forums rather than the participation of another individual.

Although I do agree everyone (including the mods) can be a little too friendly to the point of being victimized around here.

TLNR

[Assertnfailure]

TLNR
fake another reason to not contribute to the community soon plz

[____]

fake another reason to not contribute to the community soon plz
you make plenty enough snyde comments for everyone
assertnfailure from this point on now known as oldnewbie v.2

[Cota]

on a contradictory note, I disapprove of the notion of blackmailing mods into taking an action that they didn't want to take. In the "Forum Warriors" realm, this would be the characteristic of a rebel leader (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelleader.htm).

We, as mods, took the responsibility to "safe guard" the community as a whole, and not get into personal battles with individuals. Regardless of any personality conflicts we cannot justify banning a contributing member.

[____]

We, as mods, took the responsibility to "safe guard" the community as a whole, and not get into personal battles with individuals. Regardless of any personality conflicts we cannot justify banning a contributing member.
Shall we test this claim?

[Assertnfailure]

We, as mods, took the responsibility to "safe guard" the community as a whole, and not get into personal battles with individuals. Regardless of any personality conflicts we cannot justify banning a contributing member.

If the community agrees that a member is being more destructive than harmful, then how is that "personal battles with individuals."? The safest guard for the community is to minimize anything that stifles the growth of the community.

[Cota]

Shall we test this claim?

Are we making threats?

[____]

Are we making threats?
Simply asking questions.

[Cota]

Hows that a valid question? Unless I completely misunderstood you.

[dvlnblk]

Wow...this is a HOT thread...Pardon my asking but what did oldnewbie do? I have seen his comments before and while sometimes a little short with words he HAS helped me before. So, can someone post the issue to those of us who are ignorant? Plleeeeeezzzz....

Dvl

[MichaelxxOA]

Probably not the best time to ask that question...

Michael

[MichaelxxOA]

If you decided to take a stand and post on this, I strongly ask that you re-think. The reason is that this is an obvious reason of why ON will not be banned. He's not the only problem, just a fair portion of it.

It's obvious that people's interest aren't for the better of the forum, but simply a means of hearing themselves talk.

Ruben and Newblack... two of the smartest people I have ever talked to. While I do know that Newblack plans on not returning, I'm hoping that Ruben will re-consider.


Consider this a neutral decision, based on people not thinking things through.

Michael

[MichaelxxOA]

That post was not directed at Drew or Ruben.

[____]

*takes a stand while staying completely neutral*

[Assertnfailure]

In my defense, my interest lies in debates where I feel I can hold a firm stance in. Forum politics are one of them.

(P.S. has the activity here successfully doubled in light of this topic, or is it just me?)

[____]

In my defense, I just have salty balls.

[Cota]

so basically we have a protest on our hands. So lets quickly run through everyones demands.
- oldnewbie wants Flash Gordon banned.
- newblack wants oldnewbie banned.
- Jesse as asked that these people just avoid eachother.

It seems to me that everyone is putting personal interest's first. Is it really that difficult to ignore the user you dislike?

[MichaelxxOA]

lol....

I'm in support of whatever you guys decide. You guys are all smart, and have your own reasons for doing the things you do.

I was just frustrated for some reason.

<3 :D

Michael

[____]

lol....

I'm in support of whatever you guys decide. You guys are all smart, and have your own reasons for doing the things you do.

I was just frustrated for some reason.

<3 :D

Michael

*Stays neutral*

Take Care
Eric

[Assertnfailure]

Let's start an AS.org survivor series.

[CyanBlue]

The simplest solution would be putting somebody that you don't like into your ignore list... I did have plenty on my list, and I had to clear them all off of my list ever since I became a moderator... That will be a great solution if you were ticked off by somebody else... ;)

We cannot just ban somebody just because somebody else wanted... Well... Well... We sure can... But that sounds very close to the voice of the communists... Don't you think???

I'll see if I can bring Strok and Jesse and hear from them...

[____]

so basically we have a protest on our hands. So lets quickly run through everyones demands.
- oldnewbie wants Flash Gordon banned.
- newblack wants oldnewbie banned.
- Jesse as asked that these people just avoid eachother.

It seems to me that everyone is putting personal interest's first. Is it really that difficult to ignore the user you dislike?

*ignores*

[Cota]

See, was that so hard..

[____]

:d
....wtf it wont let me add a laughing smiley
ahhhh

[MichaelxxOA]

While I do understand the ignoring... I have issues with that.

ON did take his annoying comments to my personal website. Comments of which were instigated solely by him, as to say I did not provoke it as I had not had much interaction with ON prior to that.

Another issue I have is that he is rude, and will edit his posts for the purpose of causing a fuss. This thread is something he will read and smile over.

I see these as being issues that hinder our ability to help people... even if only minor it's an issue we shouldn't have to deal with.

I also, as I was telling CB earlier, know of people who are professionals in this industry who will not come to the forums because of the drama... of which ON gets brought up.

These are my opinions, I am neutral in my decision that what is decided to be best I will support, but I do feel that it is not a matter of disliking someone.

Michael

[Cota]

To recap...we've lost 2 contributing members due to this mess.

[Flash Gordon]

so basically we have a protest on our hands. So lets quickly run through everyones demands.
- oldnewbie wants Flash Gordon banned.
- newblack wants oldnewbie banned.
- Jesse as asked that these people just avoid eachother.

It seems to me that everyone is putting personal interest's first. Is it really that difficult to ignore the user you dislike?

Did I miss a post somewhere? I though oldnewbie was like my really old-half dead great grand father that I never wanted. I say make me mod and I start banning everyone, including myself. :D

@ Drew,
Hey bud, I really hate to see you go. I have felt rather relaxed around here lately cause i had someone that would stick up for me. You certain did a more cleaver job that I did and certainly humilated ON more times that I can count.

A couple of months ago, I didn't post too much and I probably will stop posting as much again just cause I don't want to see, read, or hear anything that ON has to say (even if he has been "self-banned" for the last month). With you gone, his attacks will turn to me again, and again be ignored.

Was there something that set this off?

[CyanBlue]

I've lived in the online world long enough and I've experienced lots of things happening and one thing I really hate is to see those people going away for whatever reason it might be...

I don't consider this place as just one of those cyber places... I do feel like I am with my friends, my brothers and my sisters... (I've even meet my wife online more than 17 years ago... So, you know I am dead serious about that...) We do have issues here and there and sometimes just ignoring other people solves all the problems, sometimes it does not... But that never can be the reason to abandon your friends... Why the extereme solution when you can compromise??? Maybe I am just getting too old for all this, but can we just try to find a solution???

:(

[Cota]

Unfortunately, the people involved demand a banning, that is the only solution they are willing to accept. I have a simple solution to all this, one which I will not share in public.

@Flash Gordon - I was refering to a post a few months ago with that statement.

[newblack]

wow, a lot to take in. unfortunately i'm only here to clarify- as it appears my intention has been misinterpreted. i'm not doing this because of any personal opinion, thought or hint thereof... it has nothing to do with me. indeed, on a personal level, my thoughts are exactly that- personal. this is done because as[org] is dear to me and it is suffering because of oldnewbie. and despite my appreciation for the forum, the best thing i can do for it is hold fast to this specific ideal.

until and if then,

drew

[Cota]

I have to point out that oldnewbie has kept to himself for the most part lately, so where exactly did this come from?

[Jesse]

I have to point out that oldnewbie has kept to himself for the most part lately, so where exactly did this come from?

OK this is really, really important, so please read it.

On the 12th of this month I received the last email on this topic which I was willing to tolerate. I had done my bit for trying to resolve this issue such that Old Newbie could stay, and it hadn't work.

I wrote to Old Newbie and asked him not to return to ActionScript.org. I did not, however ban him as I wanted to leave the door open in recognition of the fact that he has indeed helped many people via the site, and was always welcome to return to doing so, so long as it wasn't to the detriment of the atmosphere on the boards. The caveat was that, should any more arguments erupt, I would have no choice but to block the account for good.

Since this time, I've been working like a dog and have literally had no time to check for offending posts, but I've not heard another complaint on the topic, until today. I thought things had calmed down...

If the events which sparked this revolution have occurred after this date, then let me know, and I'll take appropriate action. If not, please take the above into consideration.

[Cota]

I am still unclear as to why newblack decided to protest at this time..

[Jesse]

If it's not due to anything in particular which has happened since Sept 12 then I think perhaps the issue is already resolved. I hope others see it that way too, and everyone will take into account what I described in my last post.

I hadn't previously discussed the contents of that email publicly because it was a private thing, but I see there was some need to at least make ppl aware it happened.

[CyanBlue]

Yes... That should resolve some of the issues one way or another... I'm only hoping that things will turn out better from this point...

[Flash Gordon]

http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118240
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118307&page=2
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118243
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=61569&page=2
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118200
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117620
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118038
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118073
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?p=537785#post537785
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117577
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118058
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118007
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117983
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118004
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117873
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117812

and the list goes on.......

[Colin Campbell]

Personally? I think it's childish. You don't resolve issues by running from them. Funny thing is, the solution has been sitting:

Problem Solution:
Step 1: Click here (http://actionscript.org/forums/profile.php3?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=4973) to ignore OldNewbie.

Problem solved!

[Cota]

Unfortunately, we tried that route once before.

[mooska]

Maybe im not the right person for it, dont know ON/NB personally (whatever in it this means) but due to this posts useless beeing in there, why wherent they just deleted ? This would be a few minutes for a mod, and these are [trash] that gives nothing.

There not only perm. bans, you know.

Sorry if my post pissed someone, but asorg is one of the gratest dbase for a ascript, and with hundreds of threads daily and this kind of surprises its a miracle to find something what you really want.

[Cota]

Its been an ongoing saga....though they vent, etc...they are mature enough to handle it.

[newblack]

and...... re-entry point.

[Flash Gordon]

welcome :)

[MichaelxxOA]

Friend

[dvlnblk]

http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118240
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118307&page=2
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118243
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=61569&page=2
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118200
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117620
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118038
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118073
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?p=537785#post537785
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117577
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118058
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118007
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117983
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=118004
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117873
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=117812

and the list goes on.......

Haha, I have to admit his posts crack me up. I don't really see how people get so worked up over his posts. I mean, no offense but it seems like he is just a bit of a smart ass and he Does help people, right? In the end, this is what this place is all about. I really don't want to offend anyone and I may be wrong. Dvl

[Ruben]

and...... re-entry point.Yea, same goes for me, stuff got sorted out (sorted out good).. Let's have a beer newblack!

;) - Ruben

[newblack]

Yea, same goes for me, stuff got sorted out (sorted out good).. Let's have a beer newblack!
Done, done and done!
Haha, I have to admit his posts crack me up. I don't really see how people get so worked up over his posts. I mean, no offense but it seems like he is just a bit of a smart ass and he Does help people, right? In the end, this is what this place is all about. I really don't want to offend anyone and I may be wrong. DvlHe took things to a personal level and further chased good, helpful, frequent folks away.

[Ruben]

I think this might be a good point to stop discussing oldnewbie and start doing some real insane dancing.

- Ruben

[[Sx]]

:eek:
Everytime I drop by there is some discussion related to this. Last time I was in, it was oldnewbie vs FlashGordon, now it's newblack vs oldnewbie.

You know, there are personal messages to sort out personal agendas, and there are moderators to kick out people that are doing that via the public forums. That's how most of normal forums operate. If moderators are not doing their jobs, well, bash them on private messages. There really is no need for putting out dirty laundry in the public...

I can 'understand' (can't approve tho) virtual hate on chitchat-oriented forums and those usually occur on political, national or religion basis, but I can't really understand how such a thing can occur on a technical-oriented forum? Of course, assuming that no one is here to boost his/her ego, because as I know - we're here to help newbies and/or each other, not proving who's got a bigger d... err, ego ;)
I for one would never leave just because some other guy is making me nuts (tho I can't hardly see that happen) - I'd ignore him and eventually smack some moderator in the face for his/hers tolerance of intolerable. This forum wont get any better if we all leave because of some jerk (not referring to anyone particular) - that's a sure way to loose community. It wont get any better if every now and then some like this thread pops out, it polarizes community and makes the things even worse. So, sort it out privately...

Grow up, ppl :cool:

just my 2 cents...

[Ruben]

I think this might be a good point to stop discussing oldnewbie and start doing some real insane dancing.Apparently someone didn't read it, so don't mind me repeating that.

That being said, Sx, first off, why do you come in stirring things up again? It's not anybody else's fault that you didn't read this any earlier, if you wanted to have your say in all this you should've dropped by a couple weeks earlier.
Also, I agree that mods should've interfered way earlier, but the fact is they didn't, eventhough people asked for it at least something like 5 times.. Don't talk about things you don't know the details of, please, I find it insulting, the same goes for you "grow up" remark.

My 2 cents.

- Ruben

[MichaelxxOA]

I'm going to go ahead and just say this. This is done and over with, no need to talk about it at all anymore.

Welcome back both Ruben and newblack.

Michael

[Cota]

Agreed...Also, [Sx], Ruben....just let it go.

[CyanBlue]

All the blame can come to me and let's be done with all this... I'd appreciate it if we all stop here and find somebody else to help... What do you say??? ;)

[Ruben]

Cota and Cyanblue, wasn't that what I was already saying?

:confused: - Ruben

[Cota]

hahaha....we never know what you're saying...thats why we love you....I think

[Ruben]

..is this the point where you propose to me?

:p - Ruben

[Cota]

No....but I think Michael wanted to.

[Ruben]

I know Michael wanted to..

:o - Ruben

[Flash Gordon]

Ban oldnewbie for good, all of his anonymous accounts or I'm gone for good.
http://actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=125349

I'm not trying to "threaten" the mod or Jesse, but a simple request.

[newblack]

I'm not trying to "threaten" the mod or Jesse, but a simple request.you know i'm in this boat

[Ricod]

Am I in time for the group hug? If not I can come back later... ;)

As for the mods not deleting any offensive posts: I don't think we have a rule for that. I think that would depend very much on personal priorities and (like all personal things) will differ per person. So I understand why there wouldn't be any. In my case, I find the right to speak ones' mind (no matter how twisted, insulting, stupid, ignorant or whatever) one of the most important things in the world. (And if we have to delete those posts I'm going to start a strike-thread)

I haven't been around much lately so I'm not familair with any details and thus won't pick any sides here. I do think Jesse handled this really well though. I hope it's enough to convince everybody there's no need to leave a great community behind for a couple of 'rotten apples'. Especially not if you like it here.

[Assertnfailure]

I don't think quoting something followed by "lol" would be a bannable offense

[newblack]

good points- i certainly don't think anyone's posts should be removed-- although i've had a more blunt term for mammary glands censored...

overall, the oldnewbster proved to do more bad for the forum than he did good; and worse he took things to innappropriately personal levels. but this is a dead horse with maggots and smells.

bottom line is he's back to support FG in the usual fashion and i'm not cool with that. freedom ends at the point that it imposes upon another's.

PS: <3 st33v-0

[Flash Gordon]

My point which I told Jesse was, if he wants to starting fighting again, we are going to be back to where we a couple months ago with the only difference being usernames.

It is no secret anonymous == oldnewbie, and this time I'm just choosing to walk away and I'm totally okay with that. I have no complusive need to fix people's flash file. I merely try to show my appreciation for the help I've received by helping others. And when I need future help, I'll just go to kirupa or fk.

Good luck everyone.
Best wishes.
:)

gone....
http://www27.brinkster.com/oldnewbie/actionscripts/popup.html

[Jesse]

Or you could just stay here.

This matter has now been dealt with.

[Cota]

Yes, and put your signature links back!

[sophistikat]

there's way too much testosterone here... where 'da ladies at?

[Ruben]

I bet they're with Lovemeister Jesse..

;) - Ruben

[Jesse]

I bet they're with Lovemeister Jesse..

;) - Ruben

Pft. No way, you think between working, running this place, eating and sleeping I have enough time to fit in schmoosing the ladies? I wish! :p

[Ruben]

What a disappointment, I would've thought there had been at least one sexy actionscript-coding angel in mr. Stratford's life..

:p - Ruben

[Jesse]

Does such a creature exist? I thought that's how we got onto this topic anyway; too much testosterone in this environment ;)

[CyanBlue]

Huh??? Too much testosterone in Flash IDE??? :eek: :confused:

[Ruben]

I thought that's how we got onto this topic anyway; too much testosterone in this environment ;)So what's CB doing in here then? The guy's married for God's sake..

;) - Ruben