Unpractical Math

[Kimchee]

Well here is my semi-uneducational website

If you are bored check out my unpractical math website (http://www.unpracticalmath.com)

Let me know what you all think...

[rawmantick]

There is nothing much to talk about the site except it's logo. Usual site like thousands of sites. Logo is interesting, though I don't like it because of colors.

[Kimchee]

Logo is nothing fancy; however, there is a game and toon.
Not amazing, but having come 2 months ago with zero AS knowledge, not bad :)

Anyone else?

P.S. What colors would you like?:D

[rawmantick]

The thing is not in color itself. The thing is in regular (for eye) gradients a good color combination. I don't know how to explain it and if it's possible at all. It's felt.

[tango88]

Yep, it's good for a start. The next step is to look at the design and give it something more modern, more polished. You are using both flash and html and at the moment it is a bit unbalanced. As a user, I am not sure whether to view the flash intro or to scroll down and read the blurb.

[cjx3711]

I think the flash element should be placed on another page that navigates to the information page.

[kkbbcute]

If you ask me, the colors are odd and a little boring, and font typography doesn't match the feel of the site. Oh yeah, the logo looks a little spasmistic as well, so you can try improving it, the animation gets irritating after looking at it for about 5 secs. Other than that, nothing much to talk about, its just too average to stand out, that's my opinion.

[cjx3711]

Sorry, it's me agian. I did not have much time to review your site properly.
Ok so now here it is:

The Banner:
The words can barely be seen, you seem like you want to give someone epileptic seisures. If you like the animation, I would suggest that you fade it out slightly, ok alot after a given time

The navigation:
You have a navigation bar at the top and some words at the bottom that work like the navigation bar. On the fromt page, the content works like the navigation bar, so in effect, there would be three ways to navigate from your front page. In my opinion, you should lose the navigation bar on the front page.

The elements:
Like I said before, the flash element should be on a seperate page. Preferbaly one that navigates to your home page. That way, your flash element would be viewed by people then when they navigate to your home page, they would forced to view the text.

Another thing, the flash element is too wordy.

Overall:
The site is rather interesing, if anyone actually gets to the stage of reading before getting bored off by the dull design. Its not that bad actually, it just sounds bad because I only listed the bad points. There are quite a few upsides. For one, the design is simple and not too complex. It will not confuse visitors.

I hope I did not offend you in any way.

[yell0wdart]

Well laid out and easy to use. I don't have to figure out, or think about how to use your site, which is very good. The only thing I'd suggest is get rid of that header. It's bound to invoke seizures. ;)

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I'll also throw in that the glow effect on your rollovers and copy text on the home page make peoples' eyes want to die. I'd tune that down on the rollovers and remove it completely from any and all copy text.

[kkbbcute]

The only thing I'd suggest is get rid of that header. It's bound to invoke seizures.

It's a general agreement, authorities close this site down as it poses a health risk. :p Just kidding. Anyway you could change the animation and the colors which are the two most pressing issues right now, it just feels really spastic and hypnotic when you look at it!

[Kimchee]

You guys rock!!! I love the feedback and I have to agree. Flashing logo sucks, I will get rid of it.

Grey background, also stinks, agreed.

Also I think I am going to get rid of the middle scroll menu and get rid of the flashing glowing seisure causing buttons.

This was a first attempt and have learned a lot since then, but it will be a bit before I get the new look and feel..

[kkbbcute]

Actually a grey background can look nice, its just the lack of contrasting colors that makes your site look weird. To see what I mean, visit the Adobe Kuler site, full of grey, yet with rich colors.

[Kimchee]

Okay, I revamped the layout. Mind you this is just a trial page, all the old content is still lurking behind some of the links and some of the new links still haven't been linked to the right place. Just want some feedback on the new design as compared to the other design.

www.unpracticalmath.com

[kkbbcute]

The revamped site still can be improved quite a lot in the design department. Your text is highly aliased and sort of hard to read, and the Get Flash Player button is sort of the first thing you see, which shouldn't be the case. Your title needs to look more obvious and needs more details with regards to design to make it outstanding. Every logo carries its own unique 'flavor' from the author so I can't really give any great suggestions, but make your logo more than just text.

My suggestions, move the navigation bar up to the top, and replace it with some rollover buttons as it looks really plain now, and get rid of the Get Flash button, anyone without flash player will be prompted to download it when needed anyway. Change the font to something less aliased, and lastly, add more details to your site to bring out its individuality.

That's about it, I won't check for code optimization as it really isn't part of the user experience.

[FormerSwinger]

I have no comments on the design but your game is way too fast.

You should give a lot more time at least in the first stage. It's not that the task in the game is too difficult. It just takes some time to get familiar with the ui. ie. Finding the desired percentage and current selection and making the selection accurately.

played a bit more and I have a couple of suggestions. Instead game over on timeout you could start reducing health each second after timeout. Then on an exact answer you could reward some back.

[Kimchee]

Sounds great with both. Agree with the game, confused about the get flash comment, do I have that somewhere in my code?

[yell0wdart]

I kind of tend to agree w/ kkbb here (shocking, I know), though I'm not sure I'd move the nav bar above the header. I think a more well thought out approach to the header would be more effective than shuffling content items around on the page.

It does look a little on the drab side, now. The header you had before was fantastic at grabbing your initial attention (just a little TOO good at it). I'd try to find a happy medium there. Punch it up a little bit above the nav bar. I'd work on finding a different font... something that pops amidst the conservative design you've got going. Right now, the nav bar and the ad are the first things a user will see (I don't see the Get Flash Player button, so I assume you removed it).

It looks to me like you're trying for that "web 2.0" look that all the cool kids talk about these days. If that's the case, I think you're headed in the right direction, but you also might want to look at other sites. Websites that do the web 2.0 look well also offer a bit more variety to the color palette and do more to clearly define content areas on the page (even if it's just a square with rounded corners that your content lives inside).

Your footer could use a little padding as well. Nothing too drastic, but it's looking a little crowded with the tight spacing of the <hr>, the pipes "|", and your links in all caps.

I think it's a good start so far. An improvement over your previous iteration. Just needs a little more work to really set it off. Have a look here (http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/web-roundups/best-of-the-web-january/) for some inspiration. There are some really slick looking layouts featured. Might give you some good ideas. ;)

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One other comment I just wanted to make. I'm liking that you're getting away from Flash where it's not needed. So many young developers (myself included) have made the mistake of using Flash where it's not needed. It's like all of a sudden, you have this new tool. Flash is like your shiny new hammer... and then EVERYTHING becomes a nail. Regardless of whether the task at hand can be done is another, more efficient means. :)

[Kimchee]

I love the feedback, my wife on the other hand dislikes how I continue to try to get better and better designs :)

I am going to put design on hold for a while and work on content. I think I have improved the design from a 2/10 to about a 2.5/10; like you both say it has room for improvement but I need a while to refresh my ideas of how I want it to look.

In the meantime I did update the game KaPow http://www.unpracticalmath.com/Games/games_kapow.html
so it ticks off health if you run out of time, also you can gain life back.

I am going to use it with my students tommorrow so I will keep you posted with how that goes. :) If anyone is up to the challenge I will post my 7th grader's highest score and see if anyone can beat it ;)

[rawmantick]

UNPRACTICAL MATH
Words written in all capital letters make themselves hard to read. It's a bad practice of design to make in capital letters. Use another method of attracting attention.

[kkbbcute]

Words written in all capital letters make themselves hard to read. It's a bad practice of design to make in capital letters. Use another method of attracting attention.

Actually I find capital letters fine, its just the way you present them. Kimchee's site lacks what people doing design call "flow", the elements somehow or rather stand out like sore thumbs (I'm looking at you download Flash Player button) and look disjointed.

[Kimchee]

I didn't want to waiste time making a brand new layout, but I have been making rough draft pngs. Does this address the flow issue better and does it look better?

Link: (http://www.unpracticalmath.com/blog/images/concept%20website.png)

[kkbbcute]

Yup, but the colors are still a sore point. A tip here, never use fully saturated colors for all of your site elements, they look terrible when too many are used together. E.g. All your bright deep blues.

[Kimchee]

Loving the feedback and got a color scheme that looks clean and not to hard on the eyes, maybe. What do you think?

http://unpracticalmath.com/trial.html

[kkbbcute]

Okay, by not using saturated colors I meant use it sparsely, like ofr example, your site banner could do with a dsh of bright blue, use photoshop or something and paint a good dzzling banner, and your site should look a lot better.

On a site note: Your light brown words are barely visible.

[yell0wdart]

Yea, I think your two biggest problems are the color selection and the extra plain headers. We seem to be going from one extreme to the other here. The bright blue + orange makes my eyes hurt. The various shades of tan are nice and soothing, but they lack any sense of emphasis.

When we couple that with a bland use of typography, we have a visual aesthetic on your site that doesn't really grab the user and compel them to dig deeper into your content (which would be a shame).

When you look at other layouts for inspiration, take note of a few things:

- Use of color
- Spacial relationships of elements on the page
- Use of shape
- Typography

We're definitely making progress. Keep at it. :)

[kkbbcute]

Yea, I think your two biggest problems are the color selection and the extra plain headers. We seem to be going from one extreme to the other here. The bright blue + orange makes my eyes hurt. The various shades of tan are nice and soothing, but they lack any sense of emphasis.

Haha, aren't color selection and the extra plain headers talking about the same thing?:p So it should be one BIG problem. I think what you need is to do everything in moderation, like what yell0wdart said.

[yell0wdart]

Haha, aren't color selection and the extra plain headers talking about the same thing?:p

Not necessarily. Color definitely plays a part. A header can be effective with absolutely no attention to color at all. When I mentioned header issues (maybe I should have made that a little bit more clear), I was addressing several different design elements (emphasis, shape, contrast, typography, color). ;)

[Kimchee]

Getting Closer and closer. Here is a cleaner layout but still feels like it is missing something.

http://unpracticalmath.com/New%20Folder/basic4.html

It is just a mock up, and the links at the top are off, but it gets the point across.

Also, I am trying to design through divs, but have hit a few problems, for example look at the page in firefox and IE and you will see what I mean.




Also if anyone knows how to make different links different colors using CSS I would appreciate it. I thought I managed it, but some change colors and others don't also I can't change the visited link's color for the life of me. I know this is an AS forum but why let such a knowledgable community go to waste :)

[kkbbcute]

Well, still too little color variation if you ask me, try adding one more color, maybe a hue of gold, to spice things up a little, here's my school's site:
http://www.ri.sch.edu.sg/

, it has quite a good layout, full of pics and stuff, see if you draw inspiration from there, and black doesn't go well with the current shade of green.

[yell0wdart]

Now we're cookin with gas! I like what you're doing with the content areas. They're well defined, yet simplistic.

I tend to agree on the color palette again. Still a little lacking. Here's some more inspiration:

http://www.good.is/
http://abduzeedo.com/
http://net.tutsplus.com/
http://www.veer.com/
http://virb.com/

This is what top designers are putting out right now. Not saying you need to be on their level artistically, but look at the color schemes they choose. You're definitely going in the right direction. Keep at it. I'm seeing big steps in your progress with these last few passes. ;)

[kkbbcute]

Now we're cookin with gas! I like what you're doing with the content areas. They're well defined, yet simplistic.

I tend to agree on the color palette again. Still a little lacking. Here's some more inspiration:

http://www.good.is/
http://abduzeedo.com/
http://net.tutsplus.com/
http://www.veer.com/
http://virb.com/

This is what top designers are putting out right now. Not saying you need to be on their level artistically, but look at the color schemes they choose. You're definitely going in the right direction. Keep at it. I'm seeing big steps in your progress with these last few passes. ;)

If you ask me, not all the sites you recommended strike me as excellent :p

Still, try tweaking the colors a little, and hope you come up with something nice!

[yell0wdart]

If you ask me, not all the sites you recommended strike me as excellent :p

I'd argue that any site I posted is, at the very least, as good or better than your school's website in terms of web usability and design. ;)

Artistically, perhaps not all of them are the best on the web. From a web usability perspective, they're all top notch. Good UI design is 70% usability and 30% pretty pictures. Far too often designers tend to focus on stuff that looks cool and not enough on what makes good sense. Don't assume your users know anything.

I'll also point out that some of those sites (NetTuts, Veer and Good, in particular) are in there for their content. Not necessarily their UI.

[kkbbcute]

Well, right no what Kimchee needs is design tips, not content, so don't count on content for this one;)

Anyway, these people are designers, and they obviously beat a few teachers who did a site mashup, but I don't think Kimchee is an expert designer either, thus I would assume that he would want to see what is possible for someone with minimal background in site design. :)

[yell0wdart]

Well, right no what Kimchee needs is design tips, not content, so don't count on content for this one;)

Do you read, or even bother looking at what I post before you begin typing, or do you always act like this? The content of those sites offer tips to good UI design techniques.

The OP has plenty of good content. I'm simply offering resources to help him learn better design practice, not to expand upon what he already has.


Anyway, these people are designers, and they obviously beat a few teachers who did a site mashup, but I don't think Kimchee is an expert designer either, thus I would assume that he would want to see what is possible for someone with minimal background in site design.

So you propose to improve upon Kimchee's work by suggesting more subpar work as "inspiration"? Are you going to show him your cousin's family blog next? :rolleyes:

[kkbbcute]

Do you read, or even bother looking at what I post before you begin typing, or do you always act like this? The content of those sites offer tips to good UI design techniques.

The OP has plenty of good content. I'm simply offering resources to help him learn better design practice, not to expand upon what he already has.

I did see net.tutsplus, but the point is that what Kimchee needs right now is not that, all those stuff are for later, when he has all the basics down, right now, asking him to go view that site is like asking a Elementary school kid to just skip straight to Secondary school.

Sure, hee may be brilliant enough to fit in, but often, he would just seem out of place, as he won't be able to relate the advanced techniques learnt with the basic concepts that he should have learnt first. This is not called recommending subpar work as you said, its called being thoughtful and practical for him.;)

[yell0wdart]

I did see net.tutsplus, but the point is that what Kimchee needs right now is not that, all those stuff are for later, when he has all the basics down, right now, asking him to go view that site is like asking a Elementary school kid to just skip straight to Secondary school.

Sure, hee may be brilliant enough to fit in, but often, he would just seem out of place, as he won't be able to relate the advanced techniques learnt with the basic concepts that he should have learnt first. This is not called recommending subpar work as you said, its called being thoughtful and practical for him.;)

This attitude right here is your biggest problem. Don't assume to know anything about who you're offering criticism to. Stop treating him like he's not quick enough to catch onto more advanced design techniques. Simply offer your feedback, offer resources and move on. He obviously doesn't need his hand held judging by the progress he's making on his own.

[kkbbcute]

Okay, I'll be sure to give that kid next door university texts the next time he comes to my place :p Come on, its not about whether he can catch the advanced topics or not, its whether he knows enough of the basics so that he can apply the advanced topics for the future. Say I teach you html, I can let you memorize the code for creating a perfect looking site, but in the end, when it comes down to the next site, you still won't get the look right, simply beacuse your foundation is not there.

I've tried this many times with Photoshop and Flash beginners, many tens of them, and this standard of work just looks like he's one of those. I'm not saying that he is unskilled or bad, everyone was like that once, all I'm saying is that he needs good, step-by-step guidance. When he's good enough, he'll explore by himself, then he'll truly be great. :)

[yell0wdart]

Okay, I'll be sure to give that kid next door university texts the next time he comes to my place :p

:rolleyes: We've already established that Kimchee isn't lazy enough to have somebody else do his work for him.

Come on, its not about whether he can catch the advanced topics or not, its whether he knows enough of the basics so that he can apply the advanced topics for the future. Say I teach you html, I can let you memorize the code for creating a perfect looking site, but in the end, when it comes down to the next site, you still won't get the look right, simply beacuse your foundation is not there.

I've tried this many times with Photoshop and Flash beginners, many tens of them, and this standard of work just looks like he's one of those. I'm not saying that he is unskilled or bad, everyone was like that once, all I'm saying is that he needs good, step-by-step guidance. When he's good enough, he'll explore by himself, then he'll truly be great. :)

Kimchee's a LOT farther progressed than you're giving him credit for. At least he's not using tables to lay his site out. Your credibility is wearing very thin, grasshopper.

[cjx3711]

yell0wdart: Firstly, I have to agree with kkbbcute that kimchee still hasn't reached the level whereby he would greatly benifit the most from the tutorial site that you provided.
Also, not using tables does not mean that his website making skills are great, it just means that he has learnt a new technique. It's like critisising and AS2 programmer for not upgrading to AS3. They are to completely different conventions altogether and you cannot compare them that way.

kimchee: Use slightly better colour management, it will make your site look a whole lot better.

[kkbbcute]

Come on, you see, even others agree.

Anyway, you can't judge a website by whether it uses a table or not, and I'm getting rid of the tables on my site as you and a few other guys suggested, so relax, and thanls for the compliment, at least I know that I'm a far jumper(grasshopper) :p

[yell0wdart]

Also, not using tables does not mean that his website making skills are great, it just means that he has learnt a new technique. It's like critisising and AS2 programmer for not upgrading to AS3. They are to completely different conventions altogether and you cannot compare them that way.

No, it just means that they're beyond yours. The only thing that differentiates using <div> vs <table> to lay out your site is that <div> is the right way to do it. <table> is not. It's that simple. If you two are at all serious at growing as developers, you'd do very well to learn that.

@kkbbcute: Asking your friend to come in here and get your back doesn't mean you're right.

When you two are getting professional jobs on a consistent basis and putting out quality work that far exceeds what you're doing right now, then feel free to offer all the criticism you want. Until then, you have zero credibility as far as many of us are concerned.

[cjx3711]

There is no such thing as a right or wrong way, there is only better or worse. With different conventions come different expectations, don't live in self denial and insist that your way is the only way to do it.

Anyway, I design websites in flash, not HTML so your statement of me being inferior to website programming because of my use of tables does not hold.

One last thing, your argument uses a logical fallacy called posioning the well which is a method of just reducing our credibility in a desprate attempt to make your argument look valid.

Besides, I replied to this thread at my own accord and not to back up my friend because he asked me to do so.

[kkbbcute]

When you two are getting professional jobs on a consistent basis and putting out quality work that far exceeds what you're doing right now, then feel free to offer all the criticism you want. Until then, you have zero credibility as far as many of us are concerned.

Not the same argument again. How many times do I have to put across that a person doesn't need to be a professional to criticize another person's work. It's like saying I can't say that Starbuck's coffee sucks because I'm not an expert coffee taster. That argument is illogical and is just a desperate attempt to reduce another's credibility.

If your method of argument is true, then every person who tells another person that his eggs need more pepper has to be a master chef, because if not, his point of view has zero credibility. That is untrue, the person who gives the best viewpoint is in fact one which is not fully familiar and thus is free to speak his mind.

For now, by calling me a grasshopper does little to increase YOUR credibility;), so before you start whining, maybe you could actually read your argument to see if it makes sense. Because as far as I'm concerned, you just look like you are arguing for the sake of wanting to win a groundless argument.

Side note: Can we stop arguing in Kimchee's thread?

[Kimchee]

Still editing and re-arranging.

http://www.unpracticalmath.com/

[yell0wdart]

@Kimchee: Great progress so far. You're really making some good strides in terms of aethetic and usability. I like where you're going with the images and styled sub-headings. It's really starting to pop.

I hate to sound like a broken record on this point, though: The header still needs a bit of polish. Black on green can be a bit dicey to pull off. You've got dark text on a mid/dark toned background. I'd add a bit more contrast there to punch it up... maybe a different font. Have a look around www.dafont.com and see if you can find something that catches your eye. Since your header's Flash, you can embed your font. Might be an interesting idea to see if you can find a hand-written style font and distress it a little bit in PhotoShop. Maybe make it look like writing on a calk board, since you're targetting teachers.


@kkbb & cjx: Children, please, don't get too defensive over your complete lack of credibility or real world experience. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but you have no experience to base your advice upon (only your little contest website and what your teachers tell you). My point is not that you shouldn't offer your opinion. That's fine. Just show others a little bit more respect while doing so. Especially those who have been doing this a LOT longer than you have.

My credibility isn't in question here. I support mine by offering practical advice backed by years of experience in this business. How do you back your's up? By idealistic opinions and regurgitating stuff you've heard or read from somebody else?

@cjx: Yes, there is a right way and a wrong way. If you're planning on limiting yourself to tabled layouts and AS2, you've got a bright future ahead of you as a mediocre developer. Flash is a great platform, but not the ONLY great platform.

[cjx3711]

yell0wdart: I really do not want to argue an argument that's not even mine. But I would like to point out three things. I am not a child, I'm a teenager. that is a totally different age group.

Secondly, I did not just design one small compitition website. I designed my school's website and a company's website and many other web designs just for fun.

And lastly, I do not wish to argue my credibility with some old guy who randomly insults others with
ut any prior knowledge o that person.

[yell0wdart]

But I would like to point out three things. I am not a child, I'm a teenager. that is a totally different age group.

There are laws in many countries that would say otherwise. ;)

And lastly, I do not wish to argue my credibility with some old guy who randomly insults others with ut any prior knowledge o that person.

You should offer that same advice to your friend.

[kkbbcute]

If you ask me, the header is still way too plain, simple text and a green gradient just doesn't cut it. Furthermore, black doesn't stand out against the dark green that you used for your banner, and the sans serif/serif font mixture around your site looks odd. Also, your rollOver effect for your buttons just seem odd, with a outer glow just suddenly appearing out from a box around the button. Try for a glow to your text instead of a box glow.

Lastly, your site needs brighter, more outstanding pictures and illustrations to make it stand out. Use bright vibrant drawings, icons, anything!:)

yell0wdart: Dear grand, mature, wise old sage, just in case you were wondering, I wonder whether you have created multiple award winning sites before, if you haven't, then I can safely say that you have less credibility than me when it comes to site design. Site designing and a professional working environment are different things altogether, you can't just say that just because you have worked in a professional environment, you have more credibility, in fact, I would dare say that the only reason why you are being so defensive about the credibility aspect is because you have little. You have done nothing but ambiguously mentioned "professional work" over and over, so where is all that professional work of yours?

And by the way, I've done many (18) websites, even if I don't use all of them, so there. You talk about showing others respect, so maybe you might want to not call people things like grasshopper before you make sweeping statements such as showing people respect.;)

Also, I never regurgitate stuff I learn from others, I'm self taught. And lastly, just because others have been doing it longer doesn't mean that they have been doing it well. I could have been working in the corporate world for twenty years, but if I don't push boundaries, I can just as easily lose out to a young person who's willing to work hard and try out ideas.

Hopefully, right now, the old sage who's out of touch will take a tip or two from the high flying grasshopper.

[cjx3711]

There are laws in many countries that would say otherwise. ;)

You should offer that same advice to your friend.

So, there is no more argument? You hve nothing left to say? Good, I prefer it that way. No more arguing. I'm out.

[yell0wdart]

yell0wdart: Dear grand, mature, wise old sage, just in case you were wondering, I wonder whether you have created multiple award winning sites before, if you haven't, then I can safely say that you have less credibility than me when it comes to site design. Site designing and a professional working environment are different things altogether, you can't just say that just because you have worked in a professional environment, you have more credibility, in fact, I would dare say that the only reason why you are being so defensive about the credibility aspect is because you have little. You have done nothing but ambiguously mentioned "professional work" over and over, so where is all that professional work of yours?


Right, because building a successful business offers me zero credibility. I base my credibility on the fact that I have more freelance work than I know what to do with (on top of my day job). My credibility is based on my paycheck and the satisfaction of my clients. I don't build things to show off to my peers (or to school children). I build custom UI's and web applications that are mission critical to my clients. I take feedback from my users and clients, not children.

As a matter of fact, yes, I have won awards with my design work. I've also had my artwork publicly featured in local galleries. I'm still trying to figure out your need to brag. You've still got very little credibility purely based on the fact that you're still in school and not doing web development in any professional capacity, and are therefore out of touch with what clients are demanding. This is only compounded by the fact that you've admitted limiting yourselves to Flash (AS2) as a development platform.

If you'd like to hear a couple of my more recent development projects (most are internal facing to my clients, so I'm not at liberty to share the final products, lest I compromise their security):

- Check-in application for a large church's children's ministry (1000+ attendees weekly on average). It's got a client-side state recognition system that auto-advances and can auto-complete the check-in process for a user, should they walk away before submitting. It logs data that reports can be written against and prints the child's name tag and claim ticket in the room they're being sent to. I architected the system, coded it and designed the UI. Soon it will be implemented at many similar churches across the US.

- Database-driven hierarchical file management system that allows users to upload and share their documents. It mimics a windowed UI file/folder system. It's also context aware (meaning it will render and serve content differently depending on what page it's being used in).

- SMS provider that allows my clients to send text messages over the web (is currently being used by serveral organizations to communicate with their clients). Soon,I'll be working on a provider that will allow SMS to be received and served to other application modules. Think live voting via text message.

- An event calendar for a website built almost entirely in AJAX. It displays events tied to tagged data. Again, context aware, so it will serve event information differently depending on the page it's living in. (This will be public facing. The website it's on is currently still in development).


And by the way, I've done many (18) websites, even if I don't use all of them, so there. You talk about showing others respect, so maybe you might want to not call people things like grasshopper before you make sweeping statements such as showing people respect.;)

Also, I never regurgitate stuff I learn from others, I'm self taught. And lastly, just because others have been doing it longer doesn't mean that they have been doing it well. I could have been working in the corporate world for twenty years, but if I don't push boundaries, I can just as easily lose out to a young person who's willing to work hard and try out ideas.

Hopefully, right now, the old sage who's out of touch will take a tip or two from the high flying grasshopper.

And you would do well to show that same respect before giving advice while pretending to wield the authority on the subject matter of somebody who's been doing it longer than you've been alive.

You seem to be forgetting who started this little spat. I was being completely civil in Mr. Kimchee's thread before you started nit-picking at the resources I supplied. For now, I'll be putting both of you on ignore. I find you both to be completely idealistic and ignorant of the technical world around you. You enjoy your tabled layouts and your AS2. The rest of the world will be moving on without you.

[kkbbcute]

Let me say this once again, I am re-creating my site based on div tags, due to many suggestions offered by the numerous people on AS.org, don't try to insult people about one mistake they made in the past and have pledged to solve. That's just whining.

Also, for all the maturity that you say you have, you don't seem to show it. You question another's person credibility, and when that person tries to defend his credibility, you call it bragging. Then, you call other people immature and grasshoppers, while you think that you are behaving maturely by doing so and expect to be treated with respect. After that, when you finally realize how groundless this argument of yours was, you call me nitpicky and try to act mature by just bragging about your achievements (something which you told me not to do in the exact same post, and all of which I've equalled) and then pretends to ignore me because I'm immature, when the real reason is that you have lost the argument and have nothing left to say.

If you have actually bothered to read my posts before rebutting to prevent your inferiority complex from flaring up, here's a few things you would have noted.

1. I never said I doubted Kimchee's ability to do great things, what I was saying was not to rush things too quickly.

2. Even you admitted that your sites weren't really that great, which was what I said from the start.

3. Lastly, it was you who flared up first. I was just telling you that those weren't the best sites out there, considering the fact that you were showing work from professionals. I expected more.

Well, so much for maturity. When you inferiority complex has cooled down, maybe you'll stop trying to look good and put others down just because they said that you could improve. Because if you are not willing to recognize that, I'm sorry, the world will go on without you.

[Kimchee]

www.unpracticalmath.com

step by step I think I am going the right direction. So I brightened a few of the images and it really did help to make the website pop! Second I tried the idea of chalk and it looks neat in my opinion; however, I can tell there is just something not right about the whole picture. So if you all would take one more look and see if you could help identify what looks off. Thanks :)

[yell0wdart]

YES! Much better! That header really pops now. I think you've got a site design now that really does the content justice. Very nice work sir. :)

[Kimchee]

Victory! A full fledged professional gave me the thumbs up! Now to fill in the bones in time for my upcoming Algebra Academy.

*happy dance*

[yell0wdart]

That's just whining.

No. That's a valid point of criticism. Having a tabled layout on your fancy site makes you a hack. And "redoing the whole thing to use <div>'s" does not mean wrapping each table in a div. Maybe you're the one who should be getting back to basics, not Kimchee. Happy reading, sport.

http://www.w3schools.com/html/DEFAULT.asp


you call me nitpicky and try to act mature by just bragging about your achievements (something which you told me not to do in the exact same post, and all of which I've equalled)

LOL! You keep telling yourself that. So when you architected your check-in system that's used by thousands upon thousands of people, what challenges were you presented with? What development methodology does your shop practice? We use SCRUM/Agile. When you deployed, did you run into any issues with network infrastructure? Are you always this hilarious?

I listed credentials that make my advice relevant and lends me credibility when offering advice to others. The only reason I offered it in the first place is because you asked:

You have done nothing but ambiguously mentioned "professional work" over and over, so where is all that professional work of yours?


If you have actually bothered to read my posts before rebutting to prevent your inferiority complex from flaring up, here's a few things you would have noted.

1. I never said I doubted Kimchee's ability to do great things, what I was saying was not to rush things too quickly.

Your "doubt of Kimchee's ability to do great things" is implied as you often come across like a condescending little jerk.


2. Even you admitted that your sites weren't really that great, which was what I said from the start.

I said some of the examples I posted were there for their content (as a resource), not for their aesthetic value. You should take your own advice in regard to reading other people's posts, or reading through the sites they link before you talk out of your ass.

[kkbbcute]

No. That's a valid point of criticism

You took my quoted statement out of context. And please, stop flaming Kimchee's thread!

You have this mental block right there. Let me give you a very simple logic right now. An elementary school boy should be given elementary texts to read, because he will benefit most from them. That doesn't mean that in the future, he won't become the next Einstein. (Heck, Einstein sucked at school)

Simply put, I'm looking in context, not trying to insult anyone here, unlike you, who tries to react aggressively to whatever I've said.

P.S. You seriously doubt my experience in databasing and other forms of coding? I don't even want to start, let's not continue this, I don't want to hear any more, its bad for your health and its wasting my time.

[yell0wdart]

You took my quoted statement out of context. And please, stop flaming Kimchee's thread!

Hi Pot. I'd like to introduce you to Mr Kettle.

You have this mental block right there. Let me give you a very simple logic right now. An elementary school boy should be given elementary texts to read, because he will benefit most from them. That doesn't mean that in the future, he won't become the next Einstein. (Heck, Einstein sucked at school)

Simply put, I'm looking in context, not trying to insult anyone here, unlike you, who tries to react aggressively to whatever I've said.

You're doing a fantastic job of that, by the way. :rolleyes:

P.S. You seriously doubt my experience in databasing and other forms of coding? I don't even want to start, let's not continue this, I don't want to hear any more, its bad for your health and its wasting my time.

If your skills and practical knowledge of server-side code and databases are as strong as your HTML skills, I think I've got a very strong point.

[cjx3711]

This flaming is getting out of hand, but flaming aside.
Kimchee: your site does look really nice compared to the previous one. It looks much more professional from your old one. A entire revamp in design makes it much more soothing to look at. Congratulations on your thumbs up from the pro.

[kkbbcute]

Hi Pot. I'd like to introduce you to Mr Kettle.

You're doing a fantastic job of that, by the way. :rolleyes:

If your skills and practical knowledge of server-side code and databases are as strong as your HTML skills, I think I've got a very strong point.

Exactly, I keep on telling you over and over again, stop it!

If you are so mature and pledged to ignore me, then why are you still replying with obvious insults that sound more like they come out from some teenage girl, seriously?

And secondly, the only reason why Kimchee feels so insulted is because you had to phrase the whole thing in a way that made a thoughtful statement sound like I'm looking down on him.

Do you ever read?
Let me give you a very simple logic right now. An elementary school boy should be given elementary texts to read, because he will benefit most from them. That doesn't mean that in the future, he won't become the next Einstein. (Heck, Einstein sucked at school)

Now please, stop it, and stop playing the 'hero' who ends up lying face flat on the floor while he tries to warn others of their impending danger and ends up face flat on the floor.

I say again, control your sarcasm and all for once, stop it.

[yell0wdart]

And secondly, the only reason why Kimchee feels so insulted is because you had to phrase the whole thing in a way that made a thoughtful statement sound like I'm looking down on him.

Just calling it like I see it.

[kkbbcute]

Well, you saw it wrong for one thing, we both saw each other wrong, and we are not as insulting as we make each other out to be, so don't dwell so much on it. Others don't come here to see a cat fight between us. :p

[yell0wdart]

Well, you saw it wrong for one thing, we both saw each other wrong, and we are not as insulting as we make each other out to be, so don't dwell so much on it. Others don't come here to see a cat fight between us. :p

Right. My main point in all of this is that you can't be "the Simon Cowel of website design" without the experience to back up the feedback. Offering your opinion is one thing. But condescending and insulting without a leg to stand on is just ridiculous. I don't think you mean to come off that way, but sometimes you do. Sorry for jumping down your throat, but that is one of my pet peeves.

If you can agree to tone back the attitude, then I'll lay off too. ;)

[kkbbcute]

And you'll have to stop playing the acts nice but ends up hounding "God" as well, that's one of my pet peeves ;)

Other than that, no hard feelings eh?