check this and leave your comments plz~

[black]

www.w-o-fantian.com

fantastic~ :D

[subquark]

well, it works great, I don't like that you can reload the same content (ie, no down state on each section)

but I guess I'm tired of seeing the same kind of look (I am guilty of that too, for a client)

can't fault the technical execution of, it works very well and all the graphics are crisp . . .

[linckx]

only critic I can give is that you need a lot of time to get anything out of it.
When you watch it the first time it'll look appealing, but when you need to go back like five times I think the massive amounts of preloaders will drive you nuts.

but it is indeed nice technically speaking :d

robin

[infiniti]

Thanks for the link, have it bookmarked, under my 2A RIP folder :) The site itself is nice though.

[snapple]

Superb site - loved it.

Personally i think people shout 'rip-off' too easily. So what, they used the same style, where do you draw the line ?

I mean, do you start limiting fonts / color schemes / styles etc etc.

Its a brilliant site, well put together, using a popular style - i don't see any problems.

I do agree about the pre-loaders though.

Regards, snapple :)

[pom]

Nice site, very well executed, but the design is too "busy" for me :) So many small windows everywhere...

[infiniti]

oh c'mon, don't tell me you don't see all the similarities. The frameset structure, all the sections are the same, heck they even run a 2b studio :) I am not trying to mock down the site, like I said earlier it is a very well constructed site. The creator obviously has the skills and creativity, perhaps get rid of a little "inspiration" and I will be happy with it :)

[oaker]

i agree with POM...its way too busy! I can't distinguish sections from sections. It's 2 much.

You think thats a good 2A rip! I would give that guy a break, considering he is far from many many others.

have a look here if you "really" want some good ones for your RIP folder.

--> http://www.educationdesk.com/educationdesk.html

--> http://www.novatek-unlimited.com/_novatek_/flashome.htm

now thats a rip! :D

[black]

thanx guys~ :)

actually this site belongs to a buddy of mine and I'll send all of your freeback to him, he'd much appreciated that, thanx all~ ;)

[thpii]

I agree with snapple, I'm so tired of people shouting "rip-off"...

I think your friend made a great site and should be proud of his hard work.

btw, anyone who spends enough time at gettyimages.com will see that most of the images on 2advanced were gotten from there. i.e. people could argue that 2a isn't sporting much in the way of original content, and so what?!

Snapple asks a great question, where DO you draw the line?? I mean cmon, if your gonna shout "rip-off", shout it when it's truly warrented like in this case:

original: http://www.marc-klein.com/main/index.html
rip site: http://www.gayatrimicrosystems.com/trial/fs_home.html

When it's blatent copyright infringement...

Oh well, it seems that no matter who puts a site up, there will always be someone yelling "theif".

-T

[infiniti]

thpii, I guess I am a little harsh on the whole copyright infringement thing. For some reason 0factor.com (guess runs by u) is also under my 2a rip folder. I just paid another visit and it seems your design isn't exactly similar to 2a. I wonder why I bookmarked it.

on a 2nd thought, was your site the one that used 2a's pic under exploratory section and ran the lighting effect under services section also found on 2a?

[thpii]

That's right, i had that image (which I purchased from getty - prolly the same place 2a purchased it from (along with the other stock photos on their site)). I had that design for about a month.

I don't even know why I bothered putting it up, I didn't really like it and I knew I was going to redesign my site right away... it was more of a "let's see if I can do it" kind of thing. And as I found out, it wasn't particulary difficult to do. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't even know that pic was on their site. I had been to the 2a site a bunch of times, but never clicked on the exploratory section until someone (maybe it was you) pointed it out to me.

So, did I use 2a's pic? No. I used getty's pic...

Anyway, after being up for like 3 and 1/2 weeks, I completely redesigned my site to something I'm much more happy with.

But look at that.... with all that said, I still made it into your 2a "rip" folder.... whatever.

The bottom line here is that design doesn't occur in a vacuum. Anyone who thinks it does lives in a padded white room and doesn't have an internet connection ;)

-T

[infiniti]

where exactly on getty can I find 2a's images? I am curious where they get their sources from too.

On a side note, I love your redesign at 0factor, obviously it's no longer under my 2a rip folder :) Good work.

[thpii]

Go to gettyimages.com and search for:

la8090-001

and

bc9906-003

Thanks for the props :)

[oaker]

www.0factor.com ....love the new design bro. Btw...sometimes i go to your other site, www.theronparlin.com and listen to the tracks in your mp3 player. Nice selection :cool:

[thpii]

Thanks for the props oaker! Yeah, - as far as the songs on theronparlin.com, I try to keep a good selection of my favorite artists going... hopefully get some people into music I really like. :)

[black]

Originally posted by snapple
Superb site - loved it.

Personally i think people shout 'rip-off' too easily. So what, they used the same style, where do you draw the line ?

I mean, do you start limiting fonts / color schemes / styles etc etc.

Its a brilliant site, well put together, using a popular style - i don't see any problems.

I do agree about the pre-loaders though.

Regards, snapple :)

first I admit this site are with some 2ad's style because my friend is superfun of it. :p

and I coulndnt catch much about the whole procedure of this site but he spent much time on it. Mmm... I just remembered that font is a pixel one named something like Horg***(sorry that I forgot its exact name).
:p

[morosa]

Without being an ass;

Typography is very illegible, so small and on such busy backgrounds (in most cases). Very hard on the eyes of an elder or on that of a 22 year old with not so good eye sight (myself).

Too many angles, too many areas of content. Very busy, very difficult to find the 'important' information.

Suggestions for improvement;

Use a slightly larger and possibly thicker pixel font, such as the STANDARD font family from www.miniml.com

I understand small, pixel fonts are cool, trendy, etc. But when does cool and trendy become annoying for users? Especially those with poor eyesight, such as myself. Anytime you force your users to lean towards the monitor to read a section of text, your lossing brownie points. (I'm only talking about the super small pixel fonts, not the better ones)


Reduce the amount of content on the home page, and inturn you'll reduce the amount of angles required on the site.

Keep the important information and toss the useless. If you feel there's no 'useless' information, re-arrange it. Do something! For my liking, it's just too busy and has way too many angles. Use them in moderation but not excessively.

The rest of the site is well done.

Keep up the good work and all will be all.


Not a 2A rip. Just another 2A inspiree'


2fings


morosa

[black]

Originally posted by morosa
Without being an ass;

Typography is very illegible, so small and on such busy backgrounds (in most cases). Very hard on the eyes of an elder or on that of a 22 year old with not so good eye sight (myself).

Too many angles, too many areas of content. Very busy, very difficult to find the 'important' information.


actually I have the same options as above, ;) Cheers~:D but my friend is much addicted to damn pixel fonts like that and he insists making so much contents and I cant stop him. and, thanx for your suggestions~ :)

[morosa]

True. You can't stop him. However, you can advice him.

There's nothing wrong with pixel fonts, I use them on every site I design. I just stray from using the super small ones. Which can be great for certain situations, say for abstract design when the copy text isn't important at all. But when it comes to actually getting and reading your profile, or your job descriptions for your projects, etc. It sucks. So MAKE HIM STOP. hehe. JK. Just advice him wisely that's all.


Your 'freinds' site has alot of potential. I'd just hate to see perspective clients come to the site and run away just becuase the fonts are too small. If they can't read what they are their looking for, than they aren't going to stay. That's all.


Later.

morosa

ps - check out www.2820.com I freelance for this company. These guys drilled me when I tried to use a similar font to the one on your 'friends' site. I learned the embarrassing way, by making myself look like a poor designer, with poor typography selection I choose to use on a project I was assigned. They got over it, but in the process I learned to comprise my mini pixel fonts for more legible ones. Live & Learn.


The bottom line is it's POOR design. If you want to be a great designer than you have to learn to take constructive criticism and apply it.

[johnbuk]

Personally it I think it looks like a really good piece of technical work. But like many others here I feel that it has sacrificed usability for looks. The fonts are far too small to make the site workable.

As far as the site being a rip, well I don't think anyone can say much there. After all, you can't copyright a style - if this was the case what would be the point of actionscript or flash. Once a company had used a specific feature they could claim to be the brains behind the style, and every other developer would be stuffed.

Should all fashion designers be stopped from producing shirts, because they all stem from a similar style.

Personally I am working on a project which involves creating a desktop style interface. Now I know ego has used this style, and no doubt several other companies - but its not their sole right to use such features...

[black]

Originally posted by morosa
True. You can't stop him. However, you can advice him.

There's nothing wrong with pixel fonts, I use them on every site I design. I just stray from using the super small ones.
The bottom line is it's POOR design. If you want to be a great designer than you have to learn to take constructive criticism and apply it.

sure. I'll send all of your words to him and in my mind he insisted on small fonts because contents of his site is too much, Mmm... and of course he likes those fonts~ :p

ps: checked the site you mentioned, nice one. :)