As.org Chatting?

[magicwand]

I dont know if it's been discussed before.
but..
y not create chatting room where members can hangout chat etcetc..
if not make a designated channel in undernet or dal net or somewhere.
just a thought.

[CyanBlue]

I'm pretty sure that lots of people will lose their job because of that... :p

Yeah... Why not??? We can utiilize one of those chat programs available on the net... Good suggestion, magicwand... ;)

[McGiver]

nice idea! but i'm afraid, the forum will die then!
questions will be posted in the chat, not in the forums, and a general chat will be impossible! maybe it is possible to change the forum a little bit!
the post reply thing could be under the actual page, and there could be some script, that makes the page actual if there is a new post!

hmm: why look for an application? why not make a chat on our own!!!

[Colin Campbell]

how 'bouts you people get AIM or MSN? You guys probably have it, but don't want to talk to people you don't know. add me if you want... i don't bite

[Ricod]

There was a plan for a flash / xml chat thingie (as you can see, there was a forum for it), but it died during a certain fase.

I have ICQ (I try to staw away from MS stuff as much as possible) but removed the info as some people found it nescessary to message me their questions all the time, of which half I didn't even knew the answer anyway. :rolleyes:

Also, DAL.net sucks ! :D

[linckx]

without being sneaky or so,

it's a true fact that a boss can't tell you much when you're on this site, 'cause you might just be doing research...

but with msn it's a whole different story, takes away much more of your attention, if it gets seen you hang, etc...

robin

[McGiver]

thats the best reason :D

[linckx]

yup! and of course that beer you owe me if I reach the 1001-post ;)

robin

[McGiver]

hmm, seems your english is not much better than mine! the thing you tried to express was: the beer you owe me!:D

cheers

[subquark]

hey CyanBlue, what chat programs are good (and, for me, easy)? I need to make one for that rock site? I may also have work for you on that site. But it only pays in Nike watches and sunglasses . . . :(

[freddycodes]

I would offer freddyChat for such a project like a chat for this site.
http://www.irq11.com/~louie/freddyChat/freddyChat.html

[subquark]

pretty neato but it did not connect for me. have you played with Billy T's chat room. Crunchy rules!:D

[freddycodes]

You behind a firewall? Could you try it again for me? I'll be in there waiting?

Got a link to Billy T's?

[freddycodes]

Oh yeah, here is another one I did in Perl some time ago, if PHP can cut the mustard. I need to combine the features of both togther.
http://www.irq11.com/~louie/chat6.html

[subquark]

hey freddycodes, it works now (I'm at home, I was at work earlier)

it rocks, but where is Crunchy? :p

works quite well, sorry that you waited, I was at work . . . :(

here's crunchy: http://www.tableau.com.au/tutorials/chat/

[freddycodes]

Yeah who the hell is Crunchy? Is that Billy T, or was that you?

[subquark]

http://www.subquark.com/footer/martini.jpg

[subquark]

yeah, Crunchy should be banned from the internet! But he/she/it is fun to chat with (I have no life). :p

[bluegel]

who chatted with crunchy? did you subquark?

[Grifter]

i chatted with crunchy. he is a top bloke. he didn't mention you though bluegel, or anyone else come to think of it, i wonder why that is...?

Maybe it's because he's a BOT

[subquark]

yeah, Crunchy is my late night pal. Haven't you chatted with him yet? I got some folks in an uproar on that "how many females" thread, so I find that it is better to discuss these issues with someone like Crunchy.

Do you need the Crunchy link? He's always online . . . :)

[bluegel]

no, i've seen the link, thanx though.

[JHallam]

Is no one is commuting? No one is ionline at any of the URLS :mad:

[subquark]

:confused: go talk with Crunchy, he is always online http://www.tableau.com.au/tutorials/chat/

[Colin Campbell]

somebody talk with me on MSN/AIM! Guys, I'm not mean. I just like to talk. *begs on floor* ..... thats not right *grobbles on floor* nope, still not working, *eats dirt* ok, that was just plain stupid!

[red penguin]

Hmmmm...

Yeah, we did try to launch a chat thingy at one point. Died right there in front of our eyes. But alas! There is hope! I personally have recieved word from Jesse himself that they are "working on a deal now to get a good XMLSocket server and once [they] have that [we] can get to work on making a chat".

REJOICE! Now we all know that people are busy and time frames are usually longer than expected so this is by NO MEANS a call to arms! I am merely putting the feelers out there.

In the meantime, I have visited crunchy but he isn't too happy with Opera so it's rare for me. I tried the freddycodes chat but a problem arose (Connecting...There has been an error connecting to irq11.com on port 5226)... I generally can be found on the fragments of what was once Nyarnia. Yup...have my very own CORE running so if anyone is interested in stopping by, PM me and I can get you the pertinent info...

If there is enough interest in coming by, I can create rooms for specific topics and y'all can 'discuss' what it is that the room is designated for...

ps: Say NO to AIM, Yahoo!, ICQ, etc...!!!

[farafiro]

Nyarnia ??
what is this??

and yes, I'm interested to help with anuthing here

[freddycodes]

Red Penguin, you went to the wrong chat app. That is an outdated version using perl as its socket server. There is nothing in place to detect server failures and such. So its no wonder it didn't work. The actual working version using PHP for the socket server is here
http://www.irq11.com/~louie/freddyChat/freddyChat.html

[Jesse]

We've been thinking about implimenting a chat over the last month since Red Peng wrote me and asked what ever happenned to the chat that was designed by AS.org Members. I'm not sure if that project was ever finished really but we've dropped it. I'm currently negotiating with Colin Moock to see if we can get a copy of Unity 2 on some barter deal, as we'd need more than the 100 simultaneious clients the $100 package provides. He seems keen.

Freddy - How does your chat work? I'm assuming it doesn't use an XML socket server. I know little about such things in all honesty but I'd think XMLSocket would be (at least) more bandiwdth efficient because users don't need to contastantly 'poll' the server to see if anyone else has sent any messages...

I'm assuming Billy's chat works in much the same manner.

Whatever we impliment, it needs to support at least 250 simultaneous users I think, but I'm also concerned that it woudl detract from the forums. Especially if people start asking FLash questions in there. The forums is searchable, loggable and persistent. Answers given in a chat system dissapear like smoke in the wind.

[CyanBlue]

Hm... Interesting... :)

Yeah... That probably is the most important thing people should think about... Once people start asking Flash question on the chat, there is very little point of maintaining the foruma area...
I was/am in the middle of creating little program myself to extend my knowledge, and it is some sort of messenger... which will have some chat functionality in it... I thought about that fact, and I am kinda making up my mind toward the man to man chat feature... Well... Anyways... Implementing the chat is rather easy as long as we have solid XML socket server or whatever server it is, but the purpose of the forum should be solely maintained, period... Just my 2 cents... :)

[Colin Campbell]

Originally posted by Jesse
Colin Moock

Who is he?! Is he some sort of Colin imposter?! AHHHHHHHHHHH

[Jesse]

Cmon man, surely you know who Moock is :) http://www.moock.org/unity

[Colin Campbell]

lol, I've only been here for over a week!! Somebody, help before Jesse gets angry! uhoh..... head for the hills! j/k I'm sure he's a nice guy... or whatever he is. tell me this, is this some sick game?!

[linckx]

for what I know 'bout moock he's 'the' writer... the authority actually...

his books must be like 10 times what others are...
and before you start comparing to shakespeare: moock writes books on actionscript ;)


robin

[Colin Campbell]

I see, so let me be known as Colin Moock Junior! It would be an honour.... :p

[freddycodes]

Well mine uses a socket server not much different from what unity uses. No client polling the server for new messages, messages are broadcast out to connected clients as they are received.


Freddy - How does your chat work? I'm assuming it doesn't use an XML socket server. I know little about such things in all honesty but I'd think XMLSocket would be (at least) more bandiwdth efficient because users don't need to contastantly 'poll' the server to see if anyone else has sent any messages...




However this was the first run at mine, I would like to continue actually using the XMLSocket functionality in flash but instead send delimited strings over the socket, this would cut down the processing of XML that currently exists.

The thing about mine vs unity, mine is pure PHP and open source and can be tweaked. Its built on top of patServer (http://www.php-tools.de)

NOTE: I have never tested it with anymore than a handful of users at once, thats why I post it so much I would love to stress test it.

Right now I only log when a user logs in and logs out, but it could easily be setup to log chat transcripts. That way an interface could be built spearately or in conjunction to search archived transcripts.

I know little about server load, but since its only one instance of the php script running at any given time it seems it would be fast. Of course Java has threading and memory management and whatnot. But is it needed? I mean unity does a lot and is meant mainly for gaming from what I have read.

Jesse if you want to try and run it on your server let me know.

You'll need as it stands now.
CLI PHP with socket support.
If you wanted to try it I would expedite the change from xml messages to delimited strings. Anyways let me know and I can get you the files.

[Jesse]

Sounds great Freddy. Please send me the files via email when you can. I've got exams until Wednesday next week but after that I'll take a look. Back to study now :)

[freddycodes]

Let me get the delimited string part added, and the session timeout on the chat is not quite working as it should, then I'll send them over.

[Colin Campbell]

Hey Jesse, good luck man, hope you do well. I have exams on all 3 of the next 3 days, but you don't see me studying. :D I'm so smart, yet so stupid. You're smart all around, because you study! lol good luck. Lets see who does better. No study, lots o study

[spriggan]

I don't know what testing the Chatload will intell, but if you need a server with high band with to compair results to a lower bandwith server I offer to help. I've got unlimited bandwith at the place I just regestered with, and have been told to "do your worst" in regards to Bandwith. That is if you want to have a second test server.

[red penguin]

Gah....not receiving notification of any of this. Damn...

@freddy: I'll check it out after this post.

Sounds like we may be heading that way anyhoo. Cool. I'd like to join in any way I can...

[Ricod]

*Ricod thinks that many an impatient person will abuse the presence of the chatproggie to ask Flash questions as they are to lazy to hit that 'search'-button or to impatient to wait for an answer on the forum.

[subquark]

man to man chat feature that will be popular down here in Miami! :D