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Warrior

10-08-2003, 04:12 PM

So why cant you meet anyone in London who is into Flash - its a big world there?? :D I don't know?? I really can't. I haven't met anyone ,especially a girl :( , and I really don't know why?

if (My.getBytesLoaded() == Your.getBytesTotal()) {
"First time we see each other we may fall in love" == true || false;
} If you ever come to London, just drop me an e-mail and we can have nice tea or coffee ;)

I guess the Immaculate Heart is broken now Not my Immaculate heart you baloon head :rolleyes: I am a human, I am imperfect just like you and every one on the planet.

just a joke, I hope Snapple and Warrior are not angry now We are so gonna kick your ass :D:D

I cant really comment on whether I am as cute as my avatar though, can I? Well, when I see you, you will probably drop somthing... My Jaw :D

So long as your head isn't as big as your avator's. Like a character from a mickey mouse parade it is. They all have such big and uncomprehensible heads (shudder).ooooh how they scare me! She can protect me from thieves by giving them a lot of headbuts :D

someone watches Family Guy. 'hey remember that time we could have got a boat?'. man I love that show. Yeah, can't you see my avatar, big woof, wanna fight about it :mad: welcome to ActionScript.org :p

xxlm

10-08-2003, 07:41 PM

Yeah I can understand you warrior.
Hard to find a girl, first of all in computer science, and especially in Flash.
So what a so good news when you know that someone at the opposite sex, having the same (for the moment one, but not the less) interrest as you live in the same country.

I can understand that... héhé.

So tell us when you'll meet ok... ;)

Warrior

10-08-2003, 07:59 PM

Don't worry xxlm... It will all be in a pamphlet :D :p

junahu

10-09-2003, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by Warrior
Well, when I see you, you will probably drop somthing... My Jaw

'heh heh, allright!'

I love family guy quotes. Should have noticed your Stewie avator. You couldn't have an avator of Stewie just before he annihilates Mr Rogers could you?

'hmm, that was strangely arousing, Arrgh!.... 911... yeah it's Quagmire... it's trapped in a window this time.'

And thanks for the welcome. 2 weeks late is better than no greeting at all. Want some volcanoe insurance? I'm just kidding, or maybe I'm not, sign here.

bluegel

10-09-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Warrior
I don't know?? I really can't. I haven't met anyone ,especially a girl :( , and I really don't know why?
awww, bless.

If you ever come to London, just drop me an e-mail and we can have nice tea or coffee ;)
how do I know who to look for?

Well, when I see you, you will probably drop somthing... My Jaw :D
flattery wont get you anywhere ;)

bluegel

10-09-2003, 07:19 AM

oh and just out of interest - what is your (Warrior) signature all about??

yeah, I have edited this

junahu

10-09-2003, 07:23 AM

Warrior? xxlm? McGiver? CyanBlue? Junahu? Motion2082? Who's?
(From the context you probably mean warrior's signiture)

Warrior

10-09-2003, 03:26 PM

junahu I will try to get you the picture of Stewie shooting Mr Roger :D

bluegel how do I know who to look for? When you e-mail me we can talk about where we may meet and and what time.

flattery wont get you anywhere Are you sure ;)

oh and just out of interest - what is your signature all about?? Well, I am a Roman Catholic and in 1908, the virgin Mary appeared to three young children (one of them is still alive) and told them to pray for "lost souls" because everyday people go to hell because there is no one praying or offering sacrifices by giving up what they like for a period amount of time to help those that cannot help them selfs.

I hope I didn't confuse you or bore you. Seriously, if you ever come to London, just e-mail be and I would be more then happy to show you around and have a nice time :D ;)

McGiver

10-09-2003, 04:46 PM

oh and just out of interest - what is your signature all about??
I guess she meant Warriors Signature! :p

@Bluegel: Just take a look @ this one (http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=34788).

jubei

10-09-2003, 08:35 PM

I suspect my grandmother prays for me. We were all raised Anglican, and when she found out i was going to a Buddhist centre, she said "You be very careful around those people.. i don't want you gettig involved in a cult of some kind".

If you ask me, though, having experienced both Anglican and Buddhist faiths.. one makes much more sense.

xxlm

10-10-2003, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by jubei
If you ask me, though, having experienced both Anglican and Buddhist faiths.. one makes much more sense.
Which one???
Hmmm?

jubei

10-10-2003, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by xxlm
Which one???
Hmmm?

Actually, to be fair, i should say one makes much more sense -to me-, because unfortunately i think one thing most people forget is that spirituality is a wholly personal thing, and you shouldn't force people to conform to a belief just because it is yours.

The most surprising aspect of buddhism i found was that His Holiness said that if buddhism doesn't work for you, doesn't help you be the person you want to be, then you shouldn't follow it. No Christian has ever said that to me about their faith

Warrior

10-10-2003, 04:08 AM

The thing with buddhism is you're still searching for God! You have not found him and you meditate for hours long end. My friend told me that some people died from meditation and exhaustion because their brains couldn't take it. Anything that has nothing to do with God will always lead you astray.

jubei

10-10-2003, 04:19 AM

:confused:

Huh? News to me. Then again, there's several forms of buddhism, theravada, mahayana, zen.. maybe there's one i've never heard about that recommends meditating to find god until you die from exhaustion. Seems a bit.. stupid though. :rolleyes:

You don't seriously believe that though, do you? You can't, right?

That said, you're reaffirming my belief that Christianity is a religion where it's more important to be a Christian than it is to be the best you can be. It's basically like trying to fit all pegs into the round hole, regardless of shape. Which makes me sad, because it really doesn't promote understanding or compassion if you only see people as "Christian" or "non-Christian".

All, of course, IMO.

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 04:28 AM

Hm... What's up with the religion stuff, guys??? What's happening to AS.org??? Is the world going to end tomorrow??? :D

I don't know much about the Buddhism, but I don't think what Warrior just said is right... It's not like I believe in that religion or any other ones, but that's different from what I have known...The thing with buddhism is you're still searching for God!I think the Buddhism is the 'religion' that is searching for who you are, what you are, and why you are existing... The meditation is the way to find oneself... Nothing more or nothing less than that... That is just one way of walking the road... That's all... People are trying to follow what Buddah did a couple of thousand years ago... People are are respecting him for him to become the one that governs everything in the world from the mere human being... So, there are the matter of respect for the wise man and the worship for the God blended well together...

Oh, well... What do I know??? Just consider me as a drunken bambi... :D

Warrior

10-10-2003, 04:33 AM

I do believe in it because the person that told me was a buddhist. Not being a christian is one thing but leading a sinful life is another. You don't have to be a christian to lead a good life, you have to change your ways and heart to be able to lead a good life. Fornication and sinful lustful and selfish desire is abusing the body that God gave us and people have no respect for their own bodies. Christianity teaches you the right ways for you to respect your body and use it the way God intended. How many people outside of christianity lead a good life tho? Christianity tries to teach you that and shows you how to live a full of rich graces directly from God.

Warrior

10-10-2003, 04:37 AM

I think the Buddhism is the 'religion' that is searching for who you are, what you are, and why you are existing... That's the point. You're still searching for God and trying to find out a way why you exist and how you came to be? They have not found God so they won't find them selfs.

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 04:38 AM

Yes I agree with Cyan, please let's avoid another "magnum" discussion on this.

We are all entitled to our beliefs, and beliefs give us comfort but none of us can claim to have absolute proof of the existance or non-existance of God. Warrior, you don't personally have absolute proof of God, you haven't "found" him any more than anyone else - all your arguments are based on the information passed down through generations.
Non-religious parties don't have proof of the non-existance of God because they are still searching for conclusive proof.

Once again I see religion causing nothing but agro here.
Is it so hard to admit that however strong your FAITH, that's all it is - a belief with no proof? That's what the word means.
FAITH - believing in something you can't prove.

So can't we all be happy with what we believe and stop trying to force it on others?

Warrior

10-10-2003, 04:48 AM

@Mortimer Jazz::
No one is forcing anyting :rolleyes: on anyone. We are just talking, nothing else. So please don't come in here and start telling us to stop because I don't go in your thread and tell you that the patent is blah blah blah blah...

Me and jubei are just talking, nothing else. So leave us to talk. We are having a nice talk and you come and spoil it.

And as for what you said "FAITH - believing in something you can't prove." I don't know what the hell you talking about :confused: because God does exist. He is there. Like it or not, he is there.

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 05:01 AM

Oh yeah sorry my fault, the magnum thread started very much like this and turned out fine didn't it ....

I don't care what you discuss as long as it's kept civil. My patent thread didn't start critisizing people's lifestyles and beliefs. The magnum thread did, and this looks like it's going the same way.

Sorry if you think I'm trying to spoil your fun - I didn't think what I just wrote was out of order, I only stated fact - religion is based on belief only, do you find that insulting for some reason?

Warrior

10-10-2003, 05:12 AM

MJ I am only upset because when I try to explain to people, God, and his way of life. People don't want to listen but they want me to listen to their way of life no matter what. I don't want people to get involved in this thread and start an argument because me and jubei are having a nice discussion. If you would like to join the thread then just ask a question and I will try to give you an answer and then you can debate it. It's what me and jubei are doing. I don't want people to come in here and start saying don't say this or don't say that and start an argument. Anyway, no hard feeling but I was just upset because you were coming on like those people.

Shake on it good buddy :D ;)

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 05:26 AM

Lol, I will indeed 'shake it on'! :)

As I said in the other post, we are all entitled to our beliefs. That applies to your beliefs as much as anyone elses.

People don't want to listen but they want me to listen to their way of life ... but it works both ways. You just replied and told me God exists, whether I like it or not.
You just dismissed my view out of hand, and isn't that where discussion ends and argument begins?
Wouldn't it have been better to ask me "why do you think God doesn't exist?"

Anyway, go for it. You're right, I anticipated trouble and stepped in when there wasn't any. Probalbly because I read the Magnum thread half way through reading this one and saw this as a continuation.
Oh and I never said I didn't believe in God. You just assumed that bit :)

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 06:39 AM

I do believe in it because the person that told me was a buddhist.Hm... I guess that person had different belief then... :p
Nah, I am just kidding... As jubei mentioned already, there are many many many different types of Buddhism all around the world, and I do not know how they are called in English... But maybe that's the reason why you were told that way...

Oh and I never said I do believe in God... I don't... At least not any more... Don't throw a rock over this way because of that though... ;)

bluegel

10-10-2003, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by jubei
The most surprising aspect of buddhism i found was that His Holiness said that if buddhism doesn't work for you, doesn't help you be the person you want to be, then you shouldn't follow it. No Christian has ever said that to me about their faith
But that is the same with christianity. if it doesnt work for you, then dont follow it. no one is ever going to force you to believe something you dont want to believe. And if you felt that, why would you feel worried about not following a faith, if you didnt believe it anyway?

I think buddhism (now, all you christians out there dont have a go at me) and the values and methods used can be used in Christianity. It is about wholeness and being who you are and happy within in yourself, and pure (oh, and if Im not entirely correct on this, it is only because I only went for 8weeks to Buddhism, but this is what I found). i think you can take that into Christianity and work on it. Take for example - meditation. best form of prayingthat Ive ever done.

bluegel

10-10-2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Warrior
When you e-mail me we can talk about where we may meet and and what time. Are you sure ;)
maybe and maybe ;)
Well, I am a Roman Catholic and in 1908, the virgin Mary appeared to three young children (one of them is still alive) and told them to pray for "lost souls" because everyday people go to hell because there is no one praying or offering sacrifices by giving up what they like for a period amount of time to help those that cannot help them selfs.
I didnt know about that. and know nothing about 3 children?
I hope I didn't confuse you or bore you. Seriously, if you ever come to London, just e-mail be and I would be more then happy to show you around and have a nice time :D ;)
confused me a little but not bored. and maybe, not that Im going to london for a while (probably not until christmas), Ill take you up on your offer ;)

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by bluegel
But that is the same with christianity. if it doesnt work for you, then dont follow it.Um... I don't think that is entirely true since you are not supposed to believe in any other sort of 'God' in christianity, yet you get to see lots of them... In other words, you got no where to turn to if you do not believe in Got in christianity, so you are 'sorta' forced into that direction in my understanding...

bluegel

10-10-2003, 08:16 AM

yeah I agree with you CyanBlue about if you are a christian then you have to follow the one God.

but what I was getting at, was if you dont believe in "christianity as a religion" then dont follow it. no one should be forced to follow a religion.

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 08:25 AM

OoooooO
Vampire needs some sleep before the sun gets up, I guess... :D
G'day, guys... ;)

PS> no one should be forced to follow a religion. >> I don't find it true... My wife does that to me all the time... :(

bluegel

10-10-2003, 08:40 AM

CyanBlue - why do you stay up so late?

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by bluegel
but what I was getting at, was if you dont believe in "christianity as a religion" then dont follow it. no one should be forced to follow a religion. That's very true, but what is your definition of being forced?

"Who will go to Hell? Instinctively we may think of the sinister kind of people... murderers, drug pushers, child molesters, etc. However, the Bible says: “...anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev. 20:15). So how do we get our name written in the book of life? By placing faith in God’s Son, Jesus Christ, as our Lord and Savior!" (http://www.victorious.org/hell.htm - the first random link I came across)
I've never had a buddist try to force or scare me in to believing their religion, have you?
Does this not seem like bully-scare tactics to you? When kids at Sunday school get taught stuff like this by adults why would they risk questioning it?

I have a few problems with believing that the the bible is the word of God. How come we have almost overwhelming evidence to support evolution, and a shed-load of dinosaur bones to prove dinosaurs existed, yet God 'forgot' to mention either of these in the bible? How come if you add up the ages of everone in the bible from Adam and Eve onwards it only amounts to something like 10,000 years, yet we know the earth is much, much older than that?

It's almost as if the people writing the bible didn't know about such things, but surely if the bible is the word of God then God would have told them all the things they couldn't possibly have known about right?

bluegel

10-10-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
That's very true, but what is your definition of being forced?
I've never had a buddist try to force or scare me in to believing their religion, have you?
Does this not seem like bully-scare tactics to you? When kids at Sunday school get taught stuff like this by adults why would they risk questioning it?

what is there to be scared of if you dont believe in the religion. How can you be scared of something you dont believe in. If you feel that it is scare tactics or bullying, then you obviously believe that it is real, and that by walking away is going to make you go to hell or whatever.

I have a few problems with believing that the the bible is the word of God. How come we have almost overwhelming evidence to support evolution, and a shed-load of dinosaur bones to prove dinosaurs existed, yet God 'forgot' to mention either of these in the bible? How come if you add up the ages of everone in the bible from Adam and Eve onwards it only amounts to something like 10,000 years, yet we know the earth is much, much older than that?

ok. it took God 7 days to create the world. But it was 7 days His time not ours. In those days a day could be 100's of years. and God only made the world light and dark after so many days - without light and dark, who is to say how long a day is anyway?

who's to say God didnt create dinosaurs. Now that we know that a day was longer than our present version of a day.? Now you will probably say, why would God put dinosaurs with big teeth on the land, if there was no danger. After the spiritial fall of Adam and Eve, everything was cast out of the garden, leaving animals to defend for themselves also, and evolutionising into what they became over the years.

junahu

10-10-2003, 10:26 AM

Can everyone drop this? The being or/and reasoning behind creation is obviously beyond our senses and understanding, otherwise there would be just one religion. So stop it. Or at least keep it to yourselves please.

bluegel

10-10-2003, 10:31 AM

why do you want the subject drop?

It is good for people to hear about other beliefs and religions. then we are not so narrow minded to other people

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 10:34 AM

Yeah I seem to remember saying that exact thing a few posts back ...but then I got sucked in to the discussion - lol.

Okay, well seeing as I have already written my response to Bluegel's questions I'll post it and then I'll stop replying :)
Okay so here it is:

I like the idea that a day for God doesn't relate to a day for us ... but again it just seems to be like forcing a square peg through a round hole to try and get it to fit - however, I wasn't actually referring to God at all, but the people in the bible (see above about the 10,000 years bit).

quote: "In those days a day could be 100's of years" - Interesting concept, God changed time ... just to test our faith perhaps?

quote: "what is there to be scared of if you dont believe in the religion"
- Okay, where to start with this one. There are so many angles, but let's just concentrate on one, children: So let's suppose you're a child who hasn't even really considered life, death and the universe, and then you're told that either you have to believe in Jesus or burn ino hell. How do you think that affects a kid? Do you think it would be justifyable for me to tell a kid that if they don't believe in the "monster down the toilet" then I'd burn them to death? No, obvisouly not. And do you think they'd be likely to believe an adult who says such stuff - yes of course - there are plenty of examples of children believing what adults tell them without questioning it. Father Christmas is a more pleasant example.

Part of Christianity trades on fear. That's where I start having a problem with it. There's no proof (only Faith) and it trades on fear, and the facts don't add up for me.

Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden and then evolution began? Erm. Dinosaurs would have evolved over millions of years (hense the teeth and way after the supposed garden of Eden era), and man hadn't evolved much at all by the point dinosaurs were roaming the earth. We have proof of all this, so either you believe in the bones found, or you believe in adam and eve and therefore the bones must have been placed on Earth by God, when Dinosaurs never really existed - it's all a trick to test our faith and God ran around planting bones as a joke(????)

How hard can you bang that square peg into that round hole?

junahu

10-10-2003, 10:44 AM

I'm not narrow minded. I can't help it if my replies make me seem that way.

I myself believe that the bible is more symbolic than factual. If you saw god walking down the street performing miricles would you have the linguistic skills to put into words his majesty? I doubt that the tales in the bible actually happened the way they were written but the tales and psalms etc were created so that others could understand and comprehend god's greatness as the writers had seen it.

However, that's just what I think.

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Well, I can't argue because I said the same thing, but I don't think either Bluegel or myself have claimed to have written anything other than opinions. We have discussed points but neither her or myself have claimed that we know "the truth".

quote:However, that's just what I think.
The general chat forum is all about being able to discuss what you think isn't it?

junahu

10-10-2003, 10:59 AM

Alright. sorry (looks at watch... doesn't have one... lokks at clock on far wall of computer hall.) eek! I'm late for a computing class (ironic). Even later now that I have to type the rest of this. and this. Be back soon.

bluegel

10-10-2003, 11:03 AM

quote: "- Okay, where to start with this one. There are so many angles, but let's just concentrate on one, children: So let's suppose you're a child who hasn't even really considered life, death and the universe, and then you're told that either you have to believe in Jesus or burn ino hell. How do you think that affects a kid?

ok, yeah I see your point here. but how many kids do you know who have been told that and felt forced to believe. I certainly didnt believe, in fact, I rebelled against it.

quote: Part of Christianity trades on fear. That's where I start having a problem with it. There's no proof (only Faith) and it trades on fear

I've never heard that view before. as far as I am concerned it isnt true. and why look at the negative anyway?

quote: Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden and then evolution began? Erm. Dinosaurs would have evolved over millions of years.

interesting theory. but dinosaurs were created on the "6th day" and therefore as commented before - how long is a day?? God put them on the earth. they only evolved into carnivores etc. they already had everything they needed before the fall.

quote: it's all a trick to test our faith and God ran around planting bones as a joke(????)

lol :p nice theory

Mortimer Jazz

10-10-2003, 11:09 AM

lol, I promised I wouldn't reply!
Besides, we can go around in circles with this one.
Dinosaurs were created on the 6th day - heheh you must have a special version of the bible :D

bluegel

10-10-2003, 11:10 AM

oi!

it says animals were created on the 6th day, so you dont think dinosaurs were animals now?

junahu

10-10-2003, 12:15 PM

wow! Another family guy avator (Janet from series two's "dammit janet" in which Stewie goes to day care.). Is this the latest fad or something?

Perhaps day meant era and it was translated wrong (remember that the origional bibles were not english). Then it would make sense. God created the heavens stars earth moon (I.e the universe) then weened the evolution of plants to animals to humans.

bluegel

10-10-2003, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by junahu
wow! Another family guy avator (Janet from series two's "dammit janet" in which Stewie goes to day care.). Is this the latest fad or something?

its cos I want Stewie to offer me some cookies :p

junahu

10-10-2003, 12:21 PM

And I convinced Louis to be an air stewardess so I could exploit her hard labour for free travel and fun.

Warrior

10-10-2003, 03:23 PM

I leave you guys for one day and you add two pages to the thread :eek:

@CB What religion is your wife and why does she pressure you?

@BlueGel You get cuter by the day, what do you eat, how do you do it? I guess you Evolve everyday, I can't keep up with you ;)

If it's cookies you want, it's cookies you will get :D

I will give you cookies plus this

McGiver

10-10-2003, 04:37 PM

what the hell is going on :D
@Warrior: I don't want to critisize you, but I think this is a little bit too offensive! (@bluegel: tell me if i'm wrong)
Lock your feelings inside your panties ;)

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by bluegel
CyanBlue - why do you stay up so late? Um... Not so much of the reason actually...

I work better and faster at night... Besides, there is nobody bothering me while everybody is sleeping... That's all... :D

Why did you have to change the avatar, bluegel??? I liked the last one and the one before that... :mad: Originally posted by junahu
Alright. sorry (looks at watch... doesn't have one... lokks at clock on far wall of computer hall.) eek! I'm late for a computing class (ironic)Um... There is a clok at the right bottom of your monitor... :D Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
it's all a trick to test our faith and God ran around planting bones as a joke(????)I think it is all the trick to create an earth, make a human being, and allow the snake or devil(where did this being came from, btw???) to give wrong idea about himself, put the tree right in the middle of the eden... Why did he go over all the trouble to test his creations??? That's the part I do not get it... Maybe there's gotta be big brother behind all that??? What are we??? Are we even human beings??? :DOriginally posted by Warrior
@CB What religion is your wife and why does she pressure you?Well... She's a christian, and I guess she just don't want me go to hell??? :confused: :D

Warrior

10-10-2003, 04:49 PM

@McGiver I am being polite without being naughty :) You're just upset because I didn't say it to you :D

@CB Take her advice, if she pressure's you then she loves you more then you can imagine. God chose you out of all the people to help me with the database system as soon as I set it up. Does that not tell you that your wife is praying for you to find a job you will enjoy and God has answerd her prayers. God has chosen you to help me with the system CB and the reward will speak for it self.

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 04:54 PM

Hehe... I'll think about that... ;)

McGiver

10-10-2003, 05:05 PM

You're just upset because I didn't say it to you
You must be reading my mind darling ;) :p

pixelwit

10-10-2003, 06:48 PM

Well I just had to open this thread and see what was so fascinating about a painful wiggling eye because that was the topic of discussion the last time I visited this thread. It seems to have changed a bit since then. ;)

The following two sites do a pretty good job representing my views.

link 1 (http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/)
link 2 (http://www.christianburner.com/reality.html)

Unfortunately they also illustrate another point. People with religious beliefs tend to respond poorly to logic and reason. As a result one guy tends to be a bit harsh while the other guy has lost countless hours trying to refute just about every illogical aspect of the bible with his intimate knowledge of the subject.

So what am I getting at you may ask. They're both probably right but trying to convince other people of this fact generally only leads to crankiness and wasted time.

With that bit of wisdom said, I will now choose to ignore it. ;)

Omnipotence: God can make a rock. A big rock. Even a really big rock. Can he make a rock so big He can't lift it? Either way if He can't lift it or can't create it then He's not all powerful.

God loves me. He loves me so much if I don't do what he says I'll burn in a pit forever without any second chances. That's the kind of love I don't need.

God is all powerful yet the best way he can communicate with me is through a really old book written in a dialect I will never comprehend. Throw in the fact that His word was written by imperfect humans and it gets even sillier. If God wants to talk to me, He can call me direct.

The Bible and counting days. The world was created in 7 days or 50 billion years... whatever, it's all the same. Then the oh so graceful recovery of "Oops, did I say day? I meant ummm... eons, yeah that's the ticket, eons". I shall rise in 3 days. Jesus died on Friday then rose on Sunday. If you die Friday then are gone on Saturday that's only one day. If you die on Friday then rise on Sunday that's only 2 days.

The above examples deal mostly with Christianity but I'm sure if I was exposed to people of a different faith I'd have logic to refute their beliefs as well.

Nobody really knows what happens when you die. Perhaps if people spent less time arguing the unknown world and more time trying to "get along" in this one we wouldn't have half the troubles we do today.

Ouch, my third eye, it hurts.

-PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com

CyanBlue

10-10-2003, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by pixelwit
Nobody really knows what happens when you die. Perhaps if people spent less time arguing the unknown world and more time trying to "get along" in this one we wouldn't have half the troubles we do today. I really like this one... ;)

bluegel

10-11-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by McGiver
what the hell is going on :D
@Warrior: I don't want to critisize you, but I think this is a little bit too offensive! (@bluegel: tell me if i'm wrong)
Lock your feelings inside your panties ;)

was this meant for me? in a nasty way? :(

bluegel

10-11-2003, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by CyanBlue
Why did you have to change the avatar, bluegel??? I liked the last one and the one before that... :mad:

aww, whats wrong with this one?

I might change it again on monday if I cant find anything to do at work - its a very boring tedious office job!!

Warrior

10-11-2003, 12:33 PM

Just forget what McGiver saidBlueGel and remember what I said.

jubei

10-12-2003, 07:22 PM

*blinks*

What happened here?

Ok, here's a little anecdote that expresses my main feelings:

I was talking to a devout Christian about Buddhism, but it was going nowhere. So i said "Look, there are infinite paths to happiness, and yours works for you, which is fine, but it wouldn't work for me. I'd just be unhappy. So i can respect your choice, can you respect mine?" And he said "No, you're going to burn in Hell".

See, as far as i'm concerned, Buddhism teaches compassion, fine, so does most religions. But it also teaches respect for other people, even if they don't believe what you believe. Wheras the forms of Christianity i've come across generally teach that you have to believe their exact form, or you burn in hell. Like the guy told me i would do.

I don't know. I find it hard to believe God would be so petty as to choose only one path, and if you don't follow it, regardless of how many acts of kindness you performed and how great a person you were, you would be damned to an eternal suffering. That's a long time, just for not visiting the right building each Sunday, wouldn't you say?

Amd it's this relentless non-acceptance of other ideals and expectance of mindless acceptance of the one your fed that pushed me away from the church, in search of better things.

Now Buddhism (Mahayana) has presented a path, and in following it i've made some pretty major discoveries about myself. However if i reach a point where it's no longer helping me, then i'll again look for something else. It's not about what you believe, it's about who you are. You need to be aware of yourself enough, and if so you'll know if something is beneficial or damaging. It's just a shame that for many people out there, if it's damaging they give up searching alltogether, because they haven't been told about other options, or that it's even ok to look.

And to whoever said meditation was a great form of prayer, i had another Christian tell me that meditation was dangerous, that in clearing your mind you opened it up to evil influences. Her only reason for thinking that was the priest told her, and then she was too afraid to even give it a try.

All that said.. Warrior, i can respect your choice. For me it's a bit of a combination of the Wiccan Rede (And it harm none, do what thou wilt) and the song "If it makes you happy.. it can't be that bad".. As far as i'm concerned, if you're not hurting anyone else, and it's making you truly happy (and i guess only you would know if it was true happiness) then i say it's great! So i can respect your choice, even if it's not my choice. Can you respect mine?

McGiver

10-13-2003, 09:13 AM

was this meant for me? in a nasty way?
nop, I said it to warrior in a nasty way :D

(I like your new avatar :) )

bluegel

10-13-2003, 10:34 AM

junahu

10-13-2003, 10:48 AM

You are deep jubei. Like a very very very deep thing.

You shouldn't make the assumption that all christians want you to burn in hell though. errm... and that's all I can think of at the moment.

Though I don't think that we should be judged by our outward exhibitions of kindness. I for one am far too shy to do something nice unprovoked. It doesn't mean I'm a bad person though does it?

10-13-2003, 12:36 PM

hey, has anyone noticed the really cool eyeball effect on the first page of this thread...?

junahu

10-13-2003, 01:10 PM

This has been downloaded 117 time(s).

hmmm. Could be.

10-13-2003, 01:47 PM

:rolleyes:

jubei

10-13-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by junahu
You shouldn't make the assumption that all christians want you to burn in hell though.

Heh, considering my fiancee is Christian, i should hope not :D

Nah, see, if i automatically judged all Christians in the same way, or thought less of them because they were Christian.. well, i'd kinda be missing my own point wouldn't i? :)

Warrior

10-13-2003, 07:42 PM

jubei remember that God does not send you to HELL, you send your self there by the acts of sins you commit. God never wants anyone to go to HELL and gives them 10 commandments to follow but no one ever listens. I for one, never ever want you to see HELL let alone go there. You breath the same air as me, eat food and you are a walking talking human being. You are a Child Of God just like me.

Mortimer Jazz

10-13-2003, 07:51 PM

Hmmm, okay question. Do you think these people will go to hell for [allegedly] lying and spreading unfounded rumours such as "condoms are laced with HIV/Aids"?

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3176982.stm

jubei

10-13-2003, 07:55 PM

Not if they go to church and confess afterwards ;)

Warrior

10-13-2003, 08:02 PM

If you're going to believe those lying people at the BBC for spreading lies to the public just like they did over the row with the war on Iraq Dossier which now they claim they have it all wrong.

The Catholic Church is right. Think about it. If people get pregnant and they say they wore a condom, what chance do they have not getting infected with the AIDS? There are thousands of stories from teenage girls saying that they wore a condom and their boyfriends wore a condom but somehow sperm managed to get through because the condom has pores in it.

Mortimer Jazz

10-13-2003, 09:06 PM

Interesting. I see you have already made your mind up without attempting to consider more than one angle. This is something I see from a lot from people I know who have strong religious beliefs. Why is this? It seems to be a very cut and dried opinion and I was hoping for a more considered reply.

Unfortunately I missed the televised documentary, so I'm unable to make any assumptions either way until I know more (and the same should go for all of us), but from the articles I have read I get the impression that the Vatican are not even attempting to deny any of it.

Assuming it's true: my point was not that the church didn't have the peoples' best interest are heart (whether you consider it misguided or not) but rather, I was questioning whether they would go to hell for knowingly telling lies? What is the Church's standpoint on telling lies?

I thought your argument about condoms was a little wonky. Perhaps you should be aware that condoms are used as a preventative method, not as a 100% safeguard, as you seem to be suggesting. They do stop some infections, but can't be guaranteed to stop all, just as wearing a seatbelt in a car gives you a greater chance of surviving a crash, but can't be guaranteed to save your life. Condoms can split during sex, or may even have holes in them when produced due to occassional faults, but they are proven to stop many pregnancies. There is less chance of passing on a sexually transmitted disease or getting someone pregnant when using a condom. There is still a chance, but it's greatly reduced.

Warrior

10-13-2003, 09:15 PM

I can see your point M J but the Church is not lying and the BBC are misleading people. Tell me what the Church has lied about. They are right about condoms not being safe and they are attacked for it. Why?

Mortimer Jazz

10-13-2003, 09:35 PM

BBC are misleading people: Your attitude toward this is again interesting. I admit to having totally switched off over the case, but I didn't think the outcome of the dossier investigation had been released yet - has it? If not, how do we know if it's the government or the BBC who is lying?

More importantly what if they did? Does that mean they now lie about everything? If a few people in a huge organisation do something wrong does that mean you can't trust them ever again???
What about the Catholic church covering for priests who were known paedophiles? Infact within the last 12 months there was a major incident of this in America where the Boston Archdiocese agreed to pay a record £53 million to 552 people sexually abused by priests in the Roman Catholic church's worst-ever scandal. So surely the church are as trustworthy as the BBC right?

The church is not lying: No, they've never lied before (oh, apart from covering for paedophile priests within the instituation of the church, for which their guit was proved beyond all reasonable doubt, but ignoring that....)
It is alleged that they have told people that condoms are being "laced with the AIDS virus", and they are also making scientific claims about condoms that are being refuted by scientists AND the World Heath Organisation alike.
The statements are totally incorrect. Latex condoms are impermeable. They do prevent HIV transmission.
Catherine Hankins,
chief scientific advisor to UNAids,

Warrior

10-13-2003, 10:03 PM

BBC are misleading people: Your attitude toward this is again interesting. I admit to having totally switched off over the case, but I didn't think the outcome of the dossier investigation had been released yet - has it? If not, how do we know if it's the government or the BBC who is lying? Actually the BBC said it them selfs that they got it wrong. They released it and admited that they got it wrong.

More importantly what if they did? Does that mean they now lie about everything? If a few people in a huge organisation do something wrong does that mean you can't trust them ever again???
What about the Catholic church covering for priests who were known paedophiles? Infact within the last 12 months there was a major incident of this in America where the Boston Archdiocese agreed to pay a record £53 million to 552 people sexually abused by priests in the Roman Catholic church's worst-ever scandal. So surely the church are as trustworthy as the BBC right? You mean it's ok for them to say somthing even if it's wrong just because they are a big organaisation? Are you nutz?

The Catholic Church it self did not cover for priests. That just show you don't know anything about the scandals. Bishops were covering priests because they were paedophiles them selfs. They don't listen to what the pope says and do what they like to do that's why they are in so much trouble right now. Read about Joseph Stallin and try to find out what he did to infiltrate the seminars of the Catholic Church with gays and paedophiles then you will know what you're talking about.

You want to make claims about the Catholic Church yet you don't know anything about it's history or the people spreading lies about it. B R A V O *claps three times very slowly*

jubei

10-13-2003, 10:08 PM

This conversation is going nowhere, and it's looking like you're both a few steps away from getting nasty. How about you both call it quits? You know neither of you is going to change the other's opinions, and you can trust that any readers have formed their own opinions by now. Ask yourself - is there any real point in continuing?

Mortimer Jazz

10-13-2003, 10:28 PM

edit - J, you have a point - lol, but i'm genuinely interested in the conversation at the moment :) ---------------------------------

Warrior that was a bit of a childish response.
I would rather you came back at me with something to back up your claims.

You're totally right. I never claimed to be an expert on the church, and so I'm relying upon numerous sources - and I know how misinformation spreads through any medium (tv, internet, church) so I can't guarantee that providing 100 links to a topic will add any more validity than providing 2 or 3. I am also genuinely interested in considering the possibility that the church is right in various areas, which is why I'm happy for you to provide evidence that may encourage me to challenge my currently-held opinions. What I find fascinating though is how you're not prepared to question what you are told at all. So far you've offered me nothing but opinions. I always question my sources. Now ask yourself where you get your information and is it really any more reliable than mine?

I'm happy to trust you when you say the BBC has admitted to doing something wrong, as I quite clearly said, I haven't been following the case. A link would have been good though.

Talking of information, this is the main case I was referring to, so you can see that I didn't just make it up for the sake of it. Now, can you provide some links disputing this and we can carry on with our discussion. You still haven't told me the church's view on lying.
------------------------------------
The hierarchy of the Catholic church has been instructed by the Vatican at least since 1962 to keep certain cases of clergy sexual abuse secret under pain of excommunication

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3157555.stm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1020400,00.html

http://www.telegram.com/static/crisisinthechurch/072903.html

http://www.cathnews.com/news/308/90.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/eveningnews/main566978.shtml

Exratct: So that these matters be pursued in a most secretive way, everyone is to be restrained by a perpetual silence under penalty of excommunication.

The document, which has been confirmed as genuine by the Catholic Church in England and Wales, is called Crimine solicitationies, which translates as ´instruction on proceeding in cases of solicitation'

When questioned by The Observer, a spokesman for the Church in the UK denied that the secret Vatican orders were part of any organised cover-up and claims lawyers are taking the document ´out of context´ and ´distorting it´.

------------------
finally:
You mean it's ok for them to say somthing even if it's wrong just because they are a big organaisation? Are you nutz? No, not at all. You didn't read my reply properly. It not okay for either institution to tell lies.
As you pointed out, it is often a few people within a large institution that do something wrong. It doesn't necessarily mean the whole institution is corrupt (that applies to the church and the BBC)

CyanBlue

10-13-2003, 10:58 PM

God does not send you to HELL, you send your self there by the acts of sins you commit.I have no intention of creating any undesired effect with this question... ;)

I am not much of the reader and I've read the bible only once when I was teen...
So, I am just curious... Who created the hell and why???This conversation is going nowhere, and it's looking like you're both a few steps away from getting nasty.I think the conversation is still going good... We don't have to agree on any side... This thread made me think more... So, I'm good with this... ;)

Warrior

10-13-2003, 11:19 PM

Didn't you read what I said?

The Church doesn't cover up anything and they don't lie. Bishops and cardinals lie and misinform people and the blame comes on the pope. The pope tries his best to make some of them listen but they just don't. Freemasons are doing their best to destroy the Church and they will try with every oppertunity they can get their hands on. There are a lot of ignorant Catholics that do not believe that the Church has been infiltrated by the freemasons because they are too blind and too stupid to see it. Do you or people like you ever think what the church said about the war? The media didn't cover anything when the pope invited Tony Blair to a private meeting to ask not to go to war. Do you praise that or look at other areas and try to condemn the church?

The Catholic Church as a whole did not mismanage the investigation and prosecution of pedophile priests, but some individuals and dioceses did. No matter what the intention of the persons involved in not pursuing the issue more vigorously and openly, failure to do so was wrong. Reasons given vary from not wanting to subject the Church to public scandal to not wanting to embarrass the priest involved and everything in between. As a result, the Church has been publicly ridiculed and the priesthood as a whole was embarrassed. As we have all learned, it is never allowable in God's eyes to commit a sin (or fail to admit that one has been committed) even if the attempted result is believed to be for the common good.

Bottom line is,
If people listen to the pope and his words of wisdom then there would not be any scandal and you won't be able to say anything about the church.

Here are two links,
Q & A
http://www.scborromeo.org/glad/glad.htm

The courageous Roman Catholic priest who spoke out on problems in the Church and instead of rectifying them, they expelled him from the Dominican order. If you have never had the opportunity to hear Father speak, you will be intrigued by the information he presents.
Catholic Counter Point (http://www.catholiccounterpoint.com/category.html;$sessionid$HD0IWUQAAAP1PTZENUFXBMWPE RWRJPX0?UCIDs=354969%7C354974)

The only way to know what I am talking about is to spend a few bucks on the video tapes by Fr John O Connor. You will not regret it. I promise you.

jubei

10-13-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by CyanBlue
I think the conversation is still going good... We don't have to agree on any side... This thread made me think more... So, I'm good with this... ;)

Alrighty, i'm probably just being over-cautious. One too many religious discussions gone awry :)

I am interested to know when the "church" ends and the "bishops and cardinals" begins. I'd have though the church was incorporating the bishops and cardinals, so if they lied it was the church lying as well. Are you saying the church is only the pope?

Mortimer Jazz

10-14-2003, 07:01 AM

The Church doesn't cover up anything and they don't lie. Bishops and cardinals lie... yet If you're going to believe those lying people at the BBC for spreading lies...

So let me be clear on this. You are saying that we can trust "the church" despite proof of paedophilia and cover-ups (only a handful of people were involved), yet we shouldn't trust anything the BBC says ever again (only a handful of people were involved). Can you really not see the double-standard in that?

Even better, you then seemingly contradict your own argument by providing a link about "The courageous Roman Catholic priest who spoke out on problems in the Church and instead of rectifying them, they expelled him from the Dominican order".

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this but doesn't that mean "The Church" expelled him? The document my previous post referred to: "the Vatican involved in cover up". The Vatican ... isn't that part of "the Church"? Infact isn't it right up there with The Pope in being central to "The Church"? I'm confiused please explain. I too would be very interested for you to clarify exactly where "the 'church' ends and the 'bishops and cardinals' begins".

You mention the war, well of course people in the church do good things. The whole fundamental idea of religion is a good one, and many religious people have exceptionally kind hearts and good will, but there were also millions of non-religious people who opposed the war and tried to do something about it, so what's your point exactly?
Where I see the flaws coming in is that all religion is based on the word of other human beings (be it humans who wrote the bible or humans translating the bible or humans preaching the bible), and humans are far from perfect as we can see. Everything you've been taught is based on trusting others, so why are you afraid to question that? Because God will punish you for using the mind he gave you?

As for your belief that people deliberately infiltratated the church, stayed there for decades and then deliberately got caught abusing children just to undermine the church .....

bluegel

10-14-2003, 07:09 AM

:rolleyes:

Mortimer Jazz

10-14-2003, 07:24 AM

Lol, well I take it you don't agree then Bluegel!

I'm just trying to understand how in one post Warrior vehemently defends "the church" and tells me they don't lie, yet in the next post admits that individuals in the church do lie, so whilst we may well be able to trust the Pope, I don't believe it was the Pope himself who made the claims about the condoms to the Kenyans.

As a result of this misinformation people are contracting AIDS. I just want to hear his point on why we should believe the people that made those claims, and if they are lying, does that mean they are bound for hell.

I think people dying through deliberate misinformation is a pretty serious issue in many respects.

10-14-2003, 11:30 AM

so... its gonna be one of the decieving/lying bishops/cardinals that becomes the next pope right?

heh... just had to thro a little extra fat on the fire. heh.

bluegel

10-14-2003, 11:49 AM

im not saying to not talk about it, just try not to get so deep.

People whether they have a religion or not do good and bad things, people lie, people make mistakes (not saying that anyone here has) but people contradict themselves. sh*t happens.

Mortimer Jazz

10-14-2003, 02:01 PM

People whether they have a religion or not do good and bad things, people lie, people make mistakes
Yes!!! Don't you see that's exactly the point I'm trying to make.

Warrior is fallable, I am fallible - individuals are fallible (and some are downright corrupt *nods in tg's general direction after reading his last post ;) *), and so you can't go around blindly saying the church is never wrong, and the church never lies and believing everything they say because the church is a collection of individuals, some good and some bad, some who lie and some who have the best intentions in the world. You just backed me up on the whole argument, intentionally or not.

You've only got to look at something like the church's reasoning behind why they think masterbation is a sin to see that they've had to coble together assumptions based on bits of the bible (taken out of context), and then it's regarded as some kind of divine law, yet I stress, it is only human interpretation. God NEVER said "Thou shalt not masterbate" - from Warriors link: http://www.scborromeo.org/glad/c1.htm#q4. I picked this topic because ..well actually because it reminded me of the the recent scientific debate suggesting that masterbation by teenage boys may help prevent aggressive prostate cancer by flushing out toxins, and therfore isn't evil at all (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942)

And as for the treatment of women in the bible... "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (KJV) So kindly keep your opinions to yourself :eek: :rolleyes: :(
[edit - and no, that's not my opinion, it's the church's. I don't think God was actually supposed to have said anything along those lines but....]

McGiver

10-14-2003, 02:10 PM

little tip: take a beer and relax (and don't drive) and forget about the theme

Mortimer Jazz

10-14-2003, 02:23 PM

Lol, I'm quite relaxed indeed ta. If you have a debate people always envision you with a red face, bulging veins and a contorted face, but think more, spliff in one hand, glass of wine in the other, The Beta Band on the stereo and me taking it easy :)

And on the subject of wine: "Is this really the blood of Christ? That guy must have been wasted 24 hours a day"
Recognise it anyone?

McGiver

10-14-2003, 02:49 PM

:p This joke is from family guy

farafiro

10-15-2003, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
And on the subject of wine: "Is this really the blood of Christ? That guy must have been wasted 24 hours a day"
Recognise it anyone? huh ???

Mortimer Jazz

10-15-2003, 05:24 AM

It kind of loses it's humour if you have to explain it faffy ;)
The guy takes the fact that wine is the blood of christ so literally, that he thinks for Jesus' blood to taste so alcoholic Jesus must have been permanently drunk.
(...I assume this isn't offensive with regards to Jesus, as it's making fun of the man, not JC himself - right?)

Anyway, here is something a bit like Warriors eye.swf - not done as well, but the release-wobble is a lovely touch!

(if naked bums offend you then don't look)
http://www.mxfiles.kneib.biz/drag_and_go_back_spezial.html

bluegel

10-15-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
[b] You just backed me up on the whole argument, intentionally or not.

i didnt back you up entirely - as you are basically generalising the "church" and putting us all in it. catholism is a different denomination to what I believe, so perhaps you shouldnt generalise so much when you talk about "the church" in the way you do!

Mortimer Jazz

10-15-2003, 09:05 AM

Sorry, I've totally missed your logic on that point:

You said People whether they have a religion or not do good and bad things, people lie, people make mistakes

All churches are made up of people. If you admit people are capable of doing good and bad things how can that apply to one church and not another?

I wasn't actually generalising at all. Sorry if I led you to believe that.
I didn't see the need to specify which church I was talking about each time I mentioned "the church" as I was talking totally in context with the thread - also the particular post I was replying to was referencing one particular church.

If I replied to someone's post on FlashMX2004 and referred to "FlashMX2004" simply as "Flash" would you assume I'd started talking about a different version? Surely not.

junahu

10-15-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
And on the subject of wine: "Is this really the blood of Christ? That guy must have been wasted 24 hours a day"
Recognise it anyone?

"Maybe someone should tell your son in law that he isn't supposed to swallow the wine.

Hey where's that bastard Peter Griffin. He said he'd give me a hundred dollars if I took off all my clothes off."

"heh heh. Happy birthday baby Jesus! 7 maids a milking, 6 maids a milking, 5 MAIDS A MILKIN (WhaM!)"

"We as Christians know that at this magical time of year Jesus rises from the grave to feed on the flesh of the living, so we sing christmas carols to lull him back to sleep."

"We of the catholic faith believe that Jesus isn't really dead, but he must pretend that he is... until he can control the rage that dwells within him. DUN DUN DUN DUN!"

...and so the jews don't feel left out...

"Optimus Prime? He's Jewish?"

Mortimer Jazz

10-15-2003, 09:20 AM

Lol, have you retained the entire dialogue in your head? ;)
What's the name of the episode?

bluegel

10-15-2003, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Mortimer Jazz
Sorry, I've totally missed your logic on that point:

just ignore me...

Ive got the flu and cant think straight :( :(

junahu

10-15-2003, 09:30 AM

They're seperate quotes from seperate episodes.

The first quote is from "screwed the pooch"
1.the scene where Peter Griffin is taken to a wine tasting.

The second and third quotes are from series three's christmas special (Can't remember its name as it's very very long).
2.the scene where a drunk peter griffin crashes into the nativity scene
3.& the scene where Peter tries to stage a nativity play to calm a ranpaging Lois.

The fourth quote is from another episode I can't remember the name of from series three.
4. the scene where, at Peter's boss's funeral, Peter is asked to say a few words

The last quote is from "when you wish upon a weinstein" (I think)
5. the scene where Peter griffin notes the jewish people in the synagogue.

Mortimer Jazz

10-15-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by bluegel
just ignore me...

Ive got the flu and cant think straight :( :(
*...hands bluegel a tissue* :)

junahu - the walking Family-guy dictionary :D

junahu

10-15-2003, 09:44 AM

...And just on a wim. Don't do toad

(I couldn't remember all of it so I've typed some of it as ............)

"You'll get chills, all through your body
and you lose all control
of your bladder, and your sphincter
that's your butthole
........................
.......................
........................
........................

You'll make your mamma cry
that's no lie
you'll choke on your tongue and die

got to give it up
give up the toad now
it's no joke buddy
give it up
give up the toad now
or you'll croak buddy
give it up
give up the toad now
and don't smoke
or you'll see
it hurts to pee

They'll be blood gushing from ya
every time that you cough
and forget, getting lucky
it falls off
well you better wise up, cos I'm telling you
toad is what Lando forbids
Gotta give it all up
or ya gonna see

your whole life will hit the skids
and your kids
will be born without eyelids

got to give it up
give up the toad now
thanks to you Lando
got to give it up
give up the toad now
thanks to you Lando
got to give it up
give up the toad now
thanks to you Lando
I'm no fool, Lando's cool

YEAH!"

Brian says the second to last 'give up the toad now'.
all the teenagers sing 'thanks to you Lando'
everyone shouts 'YEAH!'