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Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 08:48 AM
As this is the last day to sign, I thought it was worth another post on the subject. Hopefuly this is explained in a way that will be clear to every visitor to this forum today who hasn't read the other threads:
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Let’s say you drive a car. You’ve been driving for years. Then one day a letter comes through the post telling you that you have to take your car into the nearest garage and have the brake pedal removed. What?!

Well, as it turns out, some small company in America owns a patent on the break peddle. They’ve just won court case to prove it, and now they won’t let any manufacturers use them any more.

Your car still works, but it’s flawed – because you can’t stop! There are alternatives. You could buy a bike. Yet whatever alternative you choose has its downsides; and what about the people who make their living from driving cars? Who would want to get into a taxi or on a bus that has no brakes? So there would be an awful lot of people out of work too. This means even more people claiming benefits, and that will result in higher taxes, not to mention the cost to car manufacturers all over the world, who will need to come up with alternatives. Who do you think they’ll pass those costs on to?

Now, if this scenario sounds stupid and outrageous to you, perhaps you may want to sign the patent petition at eurolinux.org (closing date today!), because it’s far from fiction. Okay, it has nothing to do with cars, granted, but if passed, the new European patent laws relating to software can and will have knock on effects that you’ll notice.

A lot of the free software that you can currently download will disappear (licenses cost money!). Functionality in your favourite applications like Word, PowerPoint and Excel may very well also disappear someimte in the near future too. The games you play online and the funny attachments you send to friends in emails are already under serious threat due to a current court case which has been won, and is now under appeal. This is what’s happening now.

The court case I refer to is Microsoft verses Eolas (a company with one employee).
Eolas have won their case, and unless successfully appealed, they will be able to stop ALL BROWSERS from using the “embed” tag (the one that allows many of your favourite games, cartoons streaming video/audio AND FLASH to be embedded in the web pages you view). This has happened because these ridiculous software patent laws have already been passed in America, so let’s stop them from affecting Europe too.
“So what” you may say. “I hate Microsoft”. Well, the embed tag allows content from other manufacturers to be displayed in your browser. If the appeal fails then third party manufacturers won’t be able to continue doing this and you will be reliant on Microsoft to provide alternatives.
Java, Flash and RealPlayer and more could all be affected in this current court case. “So what, I hate embedded technologies”. Well, the embedded technologies court case is out of our hands anyway. All we want to do is stop patent law doing damage to software companies in Europe. Today it’s someone laying claim to the embed tag, but what about tomorrow?
The petition is here: http://petition.eurolinux.org/index_html
Please sign it, wherever you're from.
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There is plenty of information on the web about this.
Start here: http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/eb...20278616,00.htm

Colin Campbell
09-22-2003, 09:22 AM
Alright, I signed it. I didn't know much about what was happening with the whole patent deal, but after reading your post, I'm quite outraged at how one company with one emplyee can so change the dynamics of what this sector of the technology industry is based around. Without the median, there is no messege. Again, I signed, mind you I missed North America and accidentally put South America *the goof I am*, but I still signed.

BTW: Anyone see an article looking at the legal sides of this?

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by colin14
Alright, I signed it. I didn't know much about what was happening ... but after reading your post, I'm quite outraged Thank you! That makes the post worthwhile. I hope you won't be the only one! :]

If it made you feel outraged why not put it in an email and get your friends to sign it as well??

pom
09-22-2003, 10:22 AM
Yes, this is totally outrageous. Thanks for posting that, Mort :)

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 10:33 AM
Thanks for signing it :]

BTW: There have been 434 extra petition signings in the last hour alone! Great stuff.

red penguin
09-22-2003, 10:59 AM
Mort..That link at the bottom there is bogus..I get a 404Error...

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 11:13 AM
Okay, iIt was working earlier - I'll give it a while and then re try or replace it

- thanks a lot :]

tg
09-22-2003, 12:17 PM
c'mon mort... set some type of example here, for all the new folks. havn't you noticed the problems we've been having here with crossposts lately?

[crosspost]

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 01:43 PM
*bump*
886 extra signatures in the last 3 hours
1354 extra signatures since the time this post went up - all from actionscript.org members right? :D

annexion
09-22-2003, 02:26 PM
I'm omniscient. I signed before anyone here knew about it:p

Colin Campbell
09-22-2003, 05:35 PM
Thats great. Glad to hear it. So, from what I can understand... which is very little mind you, every site that has a .swf on a page, is going to have to edit they're tags when a new version of Internet Explorer comes out, and not only that, they're going to have to keep support for the EMBED tags... is that correct?

Is it just me, or is this company's motive not to change anything, but just to gain publicity? It seems outrageous to me that this man would make such a huge fuss that changes everything...

It also goes to show that all the small things matter, and flash seems to amplify that. Notice how if you miss that one letter, or mis spell something, it could lead to hours of debugging? Its a good lesson for life when you think about it. I never really thought of the tags on the HTML page as such a big deal until you have to deal with something like this.

Peace, Colin.

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 05:50 PM
No, it means is that there won't be an embed tag any more. At the moment there's no alternative either.

No embed tag = no flash.

McGiver
09-22-2003, 05:55 PM
well how about renaming the embed tags! how about inbed :D
(sorry, I know this isn't funny :( , but I still don't believe it's that easy to patent something that general :mad: )

Colin Campbell
09-22-2003, 05:55 PM
No flash??!?!?!?! I'm sorry, but thats just offside...

We could use the <OBJECT> tags, but then its only open to Netscape users... wow... this is way worse than I thought before. Oh well... people these days...

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by annexion
I'm omniscient.So am I, and I knew you were going to post that even before you did

@McGiver - why shouldn't we have a laugh, it won't change the outcome :]
But as for not being that easy to patent something so general - well legally they already have succeeded and so it's down to Microsoft to appeal - so obviously it ain't too hard. :[

Mortimer Jazz
09-22-2003, 10:28 PM
Final update: 2730 extra signatures in the last 11 hours - I have no idea how that compares to other days but it's an impressive number if you ask me :]

ps thanks for no-one here slating me over the title of this thread -there were good reasons behind the nasty non-descriptive subject I chose (it gets hits), and I'm aware that some people who clicked here may have already known about the petition.

You can read updates in my followup posts entitled
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and
What the @#;[\?? is going on here??????????
:p

Ricod
09-25-2003, 10:33 AM
Hey ! What's up with the title mister ! You of all people ! Where's the internet courtesy ? The forum manners ? The humanity, oh the humanity ?!

j/k :p

Sorry I've missed this ! I just saw it today ... :( I wanted to sign it ...

EDIT : hmm, still open ! Just signed it. ;)

Mortimer Jazz
09-25-2003, 10:41 AM
Hey ! What's up with the title mister ! You of all people ! Where's the internet courtesy ? The forum manners ? The humanity, oh the humanity ?!

***** you hippy! :D

Ricod
09-27-2003, 04:55 PM
Hey ! I'm no ... :rolleyes:

Okay, I'll give you that. ;)

pom
09-28-2003, 12:10 AM
Any news, Mort?

Colin Campbell
09-28-2003, 02:52 PM
I take it we lost... and we're going to have to hual ass to fix all the coding. :p