To ban or not to ban

[SomebodyElse]

What does a person have to do around this place to get banned?

Since this thread (http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=40620) has been closed I've received a threatening private message from Warrior and am growing tired of his antics. Is there anything that can be done to protect myself and others from this sort of harrassment? Can his presence be removed from an otherwise great site?

It's one thing to debate and argue, it's another thing be subjected to so many personal attacks without any recourse.

[McGiver]

well, since this is the first time he really attacked somebody, we may only get him castrated :p

But SE is right. this would be a good place for an excuse Warrior :)

[pixelwit]

I don't know if a person can be banned from the site or not but I do know this isn't the first time Warrior has been involved in a thread which had to be closed due to this sort of thing.

http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=38161

I even took the time to correspond with him via PM and tried to explain that such behavior wouldn't be tolerated on the forums. Apparently it didn't do much good. :rolleyes:

-PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com

[annexion]

I can think of a few occasions personally...

I think SomebodyElse handled himself in a very civil and rational manner. I guess I say that because I can see recrimination from more people than just Warrior for saying what he said. I think the way he handled the situation should not go unnoticed...

I do wonder if Warrior is as vocal and staunch in his opinions in real life as he is here.

[Colin Campbell]

My overall feeling on this matter: it takes 2 people to fight, but one to end it. I'm not going to pick sides. But warrior man, geez, you didn't even give me time to take a stab at the thread :mad:

;) Relax, this forums for fun, not for getting underneath each other's skin. :D

[vilehelm]

I've been trying continually to get banned with no luck whatsoever.:mad:

I think the real problem is strok is in Canada and they're a peace loving people (hippies)... people should be banned for continuously posting inane short comments about others inane short comments...like this one for instance...somebody stop me!!!

[tg]

i would suggest forwarding any threatening messages to strok, jesse and your local authorities...

[Disjuku]

Originally posted by tg
i would suggest forwarding any threatening messages to strok, jesse and your local authorities...

I myself would suggest you find yourself a chainsaw and go knocking on their door, but I am crazy tehehe *runs off screaming*

[farafiro]

.... I've received a threatening private message from Warrior and am growing tired of his anticshuh
r u sure??
can u copy/paste it here please??

and yup, anyone can be panned but only Jesse and Strok can do this

[Ricod]

I'm not saying anything ... :rolleyes:

(but we should be able to ban, right faffy ? ;) )

[farafiro]

yup
I think so, but I won't do it on my own unless .......

[Ricod]

Yesssss ... I can feel the powerrrrr ... must baaaaannnn !

*eep* sorry, powerrush ...

[stealthelephant]

in the mean while i am still waiting on my god like admin/moderator powers.
but on a seperate note, if u are ignoring him wont it also ignore the pms too?

[binkyboo]

What would Jesus do..................for a Klondike bar?

[Warrior]

Originally posted by SomebodyElse
What does a person have to do around this place to get banned?

Since this thread (http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=40620) has been closed I've received a threatening private message from Warrior and am growing tired of his antics. Oh really, threatening?? is that what you call it :mad: because I said to you we sort this out through PM and you couldn't take it.

Is there anything that can be done to protect myself and others from this sort of harrassment? who are the others?? You're on your own because no one talk to me like that except for your boyfriend annexion?? Don't think I am gonna have it from people like you and don't think I am gonna forget this little incident :mad:

It's one thing to debate and argue, it's another thing be subjected to so many personal attacks without any recourse. What kind of attacks?? Physical? Mental? I told you if you wanna sort this out like REAL men then we go meet and go some where and sort it out blud.... If you can't take it then don't talk to me but speak behind my back, you are a COWARD. Even a woman has the guts to speak to me face to face :mad:

Originally posted by annexion
I can think of a few occasions personally...

I think SomebodyElse handled himself in a very civil and rational manner. I guess I say that because I can see recrimination from more people than just Warrior for saying what he said. I think the way he handled the situation should not go unnoticed...

I do wonder if Warrior is as vocal and staunch in his opinions in real life as he is here. WAW!! why am I not surprised. So how many times you guys did it together? 99 and counting. Almost 100? You wanna find out if I am as tough or verbal in real life? I dare you, cause I am ready to break your face any day. Just to let you know annexion that if I do get banned from this forum, you better start believing in God. You think I joking in any way or just saying because I am behind a PC.
TRY ME !!

[annexion]

Everything alright over there little buddy?

Sounds like you've had a rough day. Want to talk about it?

By the way, don't evangelize to me. It makes you sound desperate.

[Warrior]

I think your words are getting bigger then your head. Little boy, you really asking for it.

[annexion]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=frivolous

[Warrior]

now now you should know better then to talk about your mama that way.

[Jesse]

I don't know how such a thread got started, or slipped so long without Stok or myself noticing or being notified but it's going to stop right here.

This sort of behavior will simply not be tolerated on these forums. I never pass judgment in these situations but on this occasion I will step outside my box and say that you Warrior were completely out of line to turn what could have remained a civil (if heated) debate, into a personal slinging match. It's simply not on.

I appreciate your right to free speech and expression, and that your views on the issue are obviously very strong and unwavering but you took a joke far too seriously, and being an intelligent person I'm sure you could have found a much more suitable way to express your opinions without bringing down the reputation of this site and stooping to personal insults against someone who you will clearly never see eye to eye with. Threats of physical violence are also banned by pretty much every ISP in the world, no matter how valid you think your cause.

I would encourage others, including those who became involved in the thread in question, to simply bow out in future. Just leave it be and notify either Strok or myself. But I do know that it can be hard to take personal insults without reprise.

This site has only ever been force to ban one user who I still believe had a serious mental illness and an incapacity to be anything but blatantly offensive to even the kindest people on the forums. I doubt any similar sized site could boast a similar reputation and we're very proud of the members of our community for maintaining the peace in such an open forum. But stuff like this simply cannot and will not be tolerated.

Warrior, you have been a valuable contributor to this site and I don't want to see you go but as you saw fit to publicly insult, harass and verbally attack more than one other valued community member, I see only one way forward. I respectfully request that you make a full, meaningful and public apology here to those that you have insulted. You do not need to back away from your values but if you wish to remain a member of this forum you do need to undo the damage you have done. I wont put words in your mouth; you're an intelligent person who I'm sure is able to find the right words to express and apology if you believe one is warranted. If you are not willing to do so you will be banned from the site permanently.

Further, as I am not the member to have been attacked in this instance, I will ask those who have been, particularly SomeBodyElse to verify that they are willing to accept such a gesture before it occurs, as ultimately I think the decision should be theirs. I would hope that you will be willing to accept this gesture, if it is forthcoming, as I see this as a conversation that got very much out of hand and I'm hopeful that the parties involved all wish it hadn't occurred, in hindsight. Here's a chance to put it right.

Let it be known from this day forth that we won't tolerate this sort of crap, people. This is a forum for educated and mature enthusiast who share a common interest. If anyone wants to be involved in this sort of abusive behavior they should leave immediately. If people choose not to heed this warning we may have to start being more forceful but I hope it never comes to that.

If you notice this sort of thing going on in future please be sure to contact either Strok or myself immediately and we will deal with it ASAP. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I hope the issue can be resolved in a positive manner for everyone involved.

[Disjuku]

if your idea of sorting it out "like real men" involves meeting and fighting - then it is no wonder these things get started, what ever happend to ignoring each other or talking through yoru differences without just jumping to yelling at each other?

[McGiver]

@warrior: enhance yourself, bite the bullet and say sorry. It's just enough. Otherwise, you will get banned.
A little conflict is one thing, but what you are doing here became a battle royal. Take your chance and get this to an end peacefully.

[Warrior]

I never pass judgment in these situations but on this occasion I will step outside my box and say that you Warrior were completely out of line to turn what could have remained a civil (if heated) debate, into a personal slinging match. It's simply not on. Jesse I only replied to the joke that boyzdynasty posted and I said what I thought of the joke. SomeBodyElse came and thought I was being serious and attacked me First but some how that is over looked.

I appreciate your right to free speech and expression, and that your views on the issue are obviously very strong and unwavering but you took a joke far too seriously, and being an intelligent person I'm sure you could have found a much more suitable way to express your opinions without bringing down the reputation of this site and stooping to personal insults against someone who you will clearly never see eye to eye with. Threats of physical violence are also banned by pretty much every ISP in the world, no matter how valid you think your cause.
It wasn't me Jesse I replied as part of the joke and someBodyElse replied for real debate. That person thought I was speaking for real at that time.

Warrior, you have been a valuable contributor to this site and I don't want to see you go but as you saw fit to publicly insult, harass and verbally attack more than one other valued community member, I see only one way forward. I respectfully request that you make a full, meaningful and public apology here to those that you have insulted. You do not need to back away from your values but if you wish to remain a member of this forum you do need to undo the damage you have done. I wont put words in your mouth; you're an intelligent person who I'm sure is able to find the right words to express and apology if you believe one is warranted. If you are not willing to do so you will be banned from the site permanently.

Ok let's just look at the insult, harass and verbally for a second. The only two people I spoke with in this manner are the ones who have been attacking me for a while. The first one is annexion who always wants trouble for some reason. This guy (or girl I don't know never seen the face but anyone can prtend to be a different gender) always replies to threads I am in and some how tries to start an argument. He attacked Colin when he first came into this site, he is trying it with me right now and think I won't fight back. As for someBodyElse I told you how he got involved in a thread that was a joke, and I knew it was a joke, and turned it into a real debate. I am a man so I will take responsibility for my actions and apologize if there was something to apologize for. I resolved my debate with PixelWit through PM last year in a civil manner and that's all behind us. I disagree with two people on this forum and one of them seems to think because that they have been here longer, it's ok to push around any one else who doesn't agree with their ethics.

Jesse I don't want to debate any arguments as I could be helping other members of the forum. I don't have any problems what so ever with any other of the forum members except these two. However, if you think that by banning me will resolve everthing then it's up to you not someBodyElse as I can easily make a false apology not by not meaning it but by apologizing for somthing I didn't do.

Thanks for your input and I await your reply.

[Jesse]

Warrior, I have not said, nor did I intend to portray that you were the only person involved in escalating this situation in the first instance. I can see how it was reasonably possible for you to have taken some offense at SomebodyElse's first reply to the thread in question; I might have too late at night or something. But your immediate and ongoing reaction thereafter was to escalate the situation and mutate it into a personal attack on
other valued community members.
SomebodyElse since you're a moron and a degeneret that's not the real life of GEORGE W. BUSH you idiot...

They're pretty harsh words, I think you have to agree.

Your fourth post on the thread is inexcusable, not only with regard to the language that you use but also the nature of the personal attacks contained therein.

I'm not suggesting you apologize for "starting the argument" or anything like that. What I did observe is that SomebodyElse, while still contributing to the ongoing nature of a somewhat meaningless argument which needn't have ever started, maintained a very civil approach. Had others been cussing and threatening you I would be threatening them with permanent bans also, and requesting their public apologies. But that was not the case in this instance.

If I had my way we would have nothing but harmony on these forums. There is plenty of scope in harmony for intelligent and meaningful debate. The simple fact that someone clearly disagrees with you is not cause to sledge them in my opinion.

I understand that you feel hard done by with regard to other issues which have arisen (of which I was not aware until you mentioned them just now). And I do appreciate that everyone on these forums will probably rub a few others up the wrong way and not all personality conflicts can be resolved; I have my own with some other members I'm sure. However I do not see any posts by annexion on the thread in question, prior to you launching an attack on SomebodyElse, nor do I see validation for the attack in the first place, despite you feeling as though he started it. Annexion did bring this issue to light in a separate thread, but I am grateful for it because otherwise Strok and myself may never have even known this was going on.

(Please note Annexion, that above I am simply taking into account Warrior's concerns, not confirming that you have or have not been unkind to him at any time. Phew! Diplomacy is hard.)

What I am requesting is an apology for the fact that you approached the issue in the way you did. Not for you having an opinion which you wished to uphold. Not for you and you alone being entirely responsible for the degradation of the thread into a massive argument, because it always takes more than one person to keep arguments going. Just for your approach which I'm sure you will agree was a major contributor to this whole issue blowing out of proportion.

I am glad to hear that you still want to contribute to the forums as the respected member you are, and hope that it can continue down the line. I still request that you apologize to SomebodyElse. If you see fit to do that, I think we can put this whole matter behind us. And may I suggest you guys steer clear of each other for a while.

[stealthelephant]

i actually thought the replies were rather humerous, maybe thats just me! ;)
the ignore button is ur friend guys! it dont byte!

[bluegel]

Cant you all just be nice to each other and just let things drop....

Try not to read into everything so offensively.

Im not pointing the blame at either of you, but.....

@Warrior

I dont fully understand what is going on, but perhaps it would be just easier to let it go, and forgive and forget. Perhaps it would be easier too, if someone withdraws from a debate, then to let that go too, its their choice. Its not cowardly or anything like that, its just what they want to do.

@SomebodyElse

dont take things to heart. People say things that are quite opinionated on here (and Im not pointing the finger at Warrior here, other people do it too). But trying to get people to be banned, and making a public display of it isnt the best way of going about things either. Are you wanting to cause more hassle to yourself. Why didnt you just email strok or jesse, and let them deal with it?

Anyway, why dont you both just apologise and agree to disagree on the matter.

be nice!

[Warrior]

Yes Jesse, harsh words what I said. When I look at it now I think things can be said in a heat of a moment. Between me and Annexion there was a thread that started by Skinner and he PM me to tell that he started a thread and that I should help him. I told him not to PM me, it's also in my signature, because I don't have time to help through PM. Annexion jumped at the chance and said "WTF, what's a warning?? you gonna ban him or somthing" and another argument started. I came back to the thread and all the posts and arguments between us on that thread had just disappeared. He must of told a MOD to delete it because he doesn't want to look like the bad guy for starting it. This guy for some reason just wants trouble and looks at the dictionary all day for words beyond his comprehension and comes in here to use them. I don't like him. He better stay out of my way because if he get's involved in a thread with me, I won't be held responsible for words inside of this forum or actions out side of this forum.

@Warrior
I dont fully understand what is going on, but perhaps it would be just easier to let it go, and forgive and forget. Perhaps it would be easier too, if someone withdraws from a debate, then to let that go too, its their choice. Its not cowardly or anything like that, its just what they want to do. I am going to do that right now ;)

@SomebodyElse

dont take things to heart. People say things that are quite opinionated on here (and Im not pointing the finger at Warrior here, other people do it too). But trying to get people to be banned, and making a public display of it isnt the best way of going about things either. Are you wanting to cause more hassle to yourself. Why didnt you just email strok or jesse, and let them deal with it? EXACTLY!! No one else could of said that any better ;)

@ SomebodyElse
I do see now that the way I have approched it was not the most clever way and for that I do apologize. However, I do not take back how I defended George Bush but I do take back offending you defending him ( toung twister ) Thanks to this thread and another one called "you dengenertes" I found out who tries to help and who makes things worse.

[SomebodyElse]

Originally posted by Warrior
Jesse I only replied to the joke that boyzdynasty posted and I said what I thought of the joke. SomeBodyElse came and thought I was being serious and attacked me First but some how that is over looked. Warrior, I think you're failing to see the point of all this. You saw BoyzDynasty's post and voiced your opinion of it. I saw your post and voiced my opinion of it. It's entirely possible for two people, even complete strangers, to disagree with one another while still acting in a civil manner. You chose not to go that route.

Large groups of people, such as those found on Internet forums, tend to be diverse in nature and will always generate a certain level of debate, disagreement and even an occasional argument. All those things differ from a fight or personal attack in one key aspect and the difference is that they're focused on the opinions voiced by a person rather than the person who's voicing those opinions. After I disagreed with you the very first thing you did was resort to calling me names. By no means were you the first to be "attacked".


Originally posted by Jesse
...I still request that you apologize to SomebodyElse. If you see fit to do that, I think we can put this whole matter behind us. And may I suggest you guys steer clear of each other for a while. I would gladly accept a sincere apology from Warrior.


Originally posted by Warrior
...the way I have approched it was not the most clever way and for that I do apologize. Although you say you're sorry for what you didn't do, you don't say you're sorry for what you did do. Maybe I'm still a bit sore about this whole thing but what you said sounds a lot like the "false apology" you you told Jesse you'd give earlier.


Originally posted by Warrior
(in reference to Annexion)... He better stay out of my way because if he get's involved in a thread with me, I won't be held responsible for words inside of this forum or actions out side of this forum. Maybe you're still missing the point, we're all responsible for our actions on these forums.


Originally posted by bluegel
But trying to get people to be banned, and making a public display of it isnt the best way of going about things either. Are you wanting to cause more hassle to yourself. Why didnt you just email strok or jesse, and let them deal with it? If I wanted Warrior banned I probably would have done what you suggested plus a few more things but that was never my primary concern (although the thought doesn't displease me). The main objective of this thread was to get Warrior to quiet down and leave me alone as soon as possible. Not only did I achieve this but I did so without involving the administrators who probably had more important matters to tend to at the time. Another objective was to make a note of Warrior's actions and possibly prevent the same thing from happening to me or anyone else in the future. Hopefully I've achieved this goal as well. Only time will tell.

[Warrior]

I said what I had to say. If you don't want it, don't take it.

[JHallam]

Chill Whin--st-on!

[stealthelephant]

victory will be mine !!
$info ignore
$man ignore

what a beautiful button

[Jesse]

OK I'm a little too busy for another long post today (my AsiaPac DevCon presentation slides are due today). I say we all just leave this issue be and everyone moves on. People who aren't OK with that can feel free to contact me via email but I think I'll stop watching this thread for now.

[farafiro]

hmmmmmmm
got 4 days off and back to see all these long posts
and what for??
I am a bit disappointed for the spirit of attcking here (or to be spaciefic "un-forgiveness")
I donno what to say
and I keep my openion for myself for that I see almost no one read the others posts with his mind, just pass through the words to give backan answer??

so, I just have something to say to Warrior:

I am sorry my friend, but if u do believe of what's in your sig, you'd have apologized and forgived for all the others EVEN if u r right
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nothing more to add
and I think/hope not to post anything here again

[Billy T]

well put faffy...

[Warrior]

Well farafiro if you and others think I didn't apologize then there's nothing I can do for you. If you believe what's in your sig then you would defend anything against God said in here instead of just watching and giving feedback.

[Billy T]

Originally posted by Jesse
I say we all just leave this issue be and everyone moves on.

gonna close this thread now...