To be a Guru...

[budley]

If some semi-young, mostly intelligent, never satisfied person like myself wanted to learn AS 2.0, and having a limited knowledge of object oriented programming and flash 4 that I do, what would one do? There are countless books and tutorials available but, time is of the essence, and money is in short supply. Knowing what some of you do about this topic you must have a short list of references that are written in lamens terms, and are to the point instruction on AS 2.0 programming. Would you Guru's that frequent this forum take some time out of your busy schedules to give a noob some advice...

What books are best?
What pluggins (helper programs) are worth the money if any?
Are there any step by step CD's that could be useful? (like Lynda)
Anything else you might add...

I want to learn this but I don't have $5000 dollars to spend on every publication ever written on AS 2.0, know what I mean?

Thank you so much,
Bud

[Drakkon]

I'm all about the internal Flash manual, probobly one of the most extensive resources I have ever seen in a program, its almost as good as the PHP documentation except without the entensive examples. It provides a lot of examples though and hints that i don't think a lot of companies would otherwise give out these days. Along with sites like this and flashit and kirupa theres also many tutorial opportunities to see what AS 2.0 has to offer.

That being said havent bought 1 book, class, cd, tutorial, program, etc. All of my flash leanring experience was free :) I dont think any are worth the money unless you need stuff in print, then i'd say just print yourself out a ton of tutorials and binder them up and bam you have a book as good as any out there :D

btw I'll be the first to admit I'm in no way a Guru cause every day i learn something new about Flash that i didn't think was possible, its grown into such a massive program its almost like its possibilities are as endless....

[deadbeat]

Kirupa.com has tons of good resources...

http://www.kirupa.com/developer/oop2/AS2OOPindex.htm

HTH,

K.

[dr.swank]

Actionscript for FlashMX by Colin Moock is a must own. It covers all ov AS 1.0 which is 90% of what you will need. Spend a lot of time thinking about how similar things are in code. PHP, Javascript, XML AS, JAVA they all have some very common aspects. If you learn about them in this way then you need to learn them only once. Spend time experimenting, and don't get impatient when something doesn't work.

Help other where you can. You never learn more than when you help someone.

cheers, doc

[Korona]

make sure your always making your own mini-projects or AS2 classes/libaries (or anything) on what youve been reading about - or else youll forget it all 2 months down the line. use it or loose it.

[303 maddec]

Hi, well for me the best and reference book is the "Mook Actionscript for Flash MX" (second issue of the AS definitive guide). It's convenient to use, a quick reference guide and covers from introduction about programming to some more advanced features, even secret features (maybe not for hardcore programmers ;) but maybe they needn't a book?).
Definetely the best!!! The new issue about actionscript 2 and OOP will be available on amazon in 4 weeks or before the 30 june 2004....

;) too many time to wait!!!!!
Dear Mister Moock your are the best!!!


Best regard.

[CyanBlue]

For me, the first place where I look up is Flash manual, and the AS.org's forum, and Macromedia's technote section... and if I have to go on further, I check on the threads at the chattyfig... and if that doesn't work, I start bugging other people... That's pretty much it... :)

[303 maddec]

Finally the best help are people with more than 1000 posts ;)
and almost 10 000 are ready to write a book ;)

Yes, I agree with you, forum is a good way (certainly the best), but nowadays some people needs even a classic linear/synthetic media to have a general idea about a question, isn't it?

Thanks a million to hardcore posters!!!
And respect to Mr. Moock!

Best regards, seeya.

[farafiro]

in one simple sentense:
To be a Guru: Stick to www.actionscript.org

[budley]

It is uncanny to find so many people willing to share their hard earned secrets. This website is by far the best resource I have ever seen...thanks so much for the advice and hopefully soon I will be in the 1000 posters group!!! (helping others as well as recieving that is). lol

Much appriciated,
Bud

[McGiver]

well, only 992 Posts and you belong to that group :D

[Colin Campbell]

1000 posters group!!!

The millenium club isn't all its cracked up to be ;)

[freddycodes]

The millenium club isn't all its cracked up to be ;)

Especially if more than 50% of your posts are in General Chat.

[tg]

hey freddie, general chat was created just so we could 'massage' our count. hehheh.

[freddycodes]

Just making sure some of the new ppl realize that post counts mean nothing more than the number of posts.

[tg]

gotcha.... and i've bumped up one more.


weeeee!!!

[freddycodes]

I need to stop, I was doing well at keeping my general posts comments to a minimum.

Wow only 42 of 2169.
http://www.actionscript.org/forums/search.php3?searchid=131402


That puts me in the 2% general chat bracket.

[McGiver]

wow, I only 217 of my posts are non-general
I guess that make's me the spam king :D
(85% pure quality spam)

[Colin Campbell]

Especially if more than 50% of your posts are in General Chat.

Which is what I was trying to say. I don't know much Actionscript, although I browse those forums just as much learning.

edit: neither do I see the issue about posting in General Chat... if you don't like it, don't come. You seem content, I am too. ;)

[freddycodes]

I will browse where I like young man.

I was simply posting that just because someone has a large post count, doesn't mean he/she is a guru. Like the first poster in this thread eluded to. Get it?

[Colin Campbell]

Thats what I said in the first place.

And people wonder why people only come here for help and leave right afterwards. Anytime somebody comes here looking for learning and fun, they get "well you only post in general chat!" I don't see the big deal in it... oh well.

Lets get back ontopic.

edit: btw, I think we're miscommunicating, I apologize if its a mixup.

[freddycodes]

We are on topic young man. The topic is about gurus in these forums, right? I am directly referring to the guruishness of said "gurus"

[farafiro]

lol
what is the meaning of 'post count' any way??
is it I AM A FLASH GURU??
if so, so can some one hire me
:D:D:D

[CyanBlue]

wow, I only 217 of my posts are non-general
I guess that make's me the spam king
(85% pure quality spam)
Yeah... I've got 381 posts in the General Chat forum (plus one, I assume) and that makes me, um, spam king kong??? :eek:
I was simply posting that just because someone has a large post count, doesn't mean he/she is a guru. Like the first poster in this thread eluded to. Get it?
Yup... That's what matters... Post count does not matter at all... Post count just means the contribution to the forum nothing else... What makes people to be called a Guru is what they have inside their brain/heart... Nothing more, nothing less... :)

The bottom line is, budley, you've got a long way to go and your time in front of the computer, not counting time you chat with some girl who's living in Alaska, is all you need to be the one...

[farafiro]

Yeah... I've got 381 posts in the General Chat forum (plus one, I assume) and that makes me, um, spam king kong??? :eek: how did u know that??
I wanna know my statistics

[CyanBlue]

Um... Go to Advanced Search...

Search by User Name : farafiro

Search in Forum(s) : General Chat

Search Now!!!

You won't get more than 500 threads for it though... ;)

[farafiro]

i'm sure I have more than 500 post
by approx 8500 posts
:D

[baby_annie]

Finally, who's our kangGURU? :D:D:D

[303 maddec]

Well, guys I'm sorry if my remark upset someone, it was just a mean of being thankful to people spending so much time to help others!!!

I know that quantity doesn't mean quality...it was a bit like a joke....

;)

Thanx a million one more time.

Best regards.

[snapple]

I got worried when i thought about working out my stats. I group:

Cool sites
Site check
General chat

All as 'General posts' - which for me = 49.7%.

And

MX actionscript
Actionscript 4+5
Simple stuff, newbies
General help
JFKC
Animation and effects
Server-side scripting

All as 'other posts' which for me = 50.3%

Although, we could go further and work out percentages of thread starters and thread responders, in which case there would 87% of my server-side scripting posts would be transferred over to Freddycodes, putting his thread responders count up and my thread responders count down. Thanks for all the help there Freddycodes.

Anyway, it does not matter, i have been here since Feburary 2002, and on 1.4 posts a day. Having said that, i do have to admit to feeling slightly ashamed at having so many 'general' posts - as from next year (my MSc in software engineering) things will change.

Best regards, snapple :)

[dr.swank]

hmm... have we kick this dead horse enough yet?? ;)

[snapple]

Think the term is 'flogged'

Regards, snapple :)

[McGiver]

I'm disappointed of myself. I just did a research and found out that only 915 of post are in general (well 916 now)

[CyanBlue]

Um... As usual... The thread is heading to the strange direction... :(

What's wrong with having loads of posts in the General Chat forum??? I don't see any... Do you??? :)

[freddycodes]

Well the only the wrong as far as I can tell was brought up early on in the thread and has since been refuted. That is, this being actionscript.org, it could be very easy to misunderstand that those with very high post counts may not necessarily be supersized as far as actionscripting is concerned.

[CyanBlue]

Um... Pretty much I am one of the people who is responsible for the big database storage and I have to be punished for that??? Is it what you are saying, freddycodes??? :p

Well... Like I said... The post count have absolutely no meaning when it comes to the user's knowledge... I can vouch for that... (Example is right here...) :)

[tg]

cb, how the heck did you get:

Um... Pretty much I am one of the people who is responsible for the big database storage and I have to be punished for that??? Is it what you are saying, freddycodes???


from
Well the only the wrong as far as I can tell was brought up early on in the thread and has since been refuted. That is, this being actionscript.org, it could be very easy to misunderstand that those with very high post counts may not necessarily be supersized as far as actionscripting is concerned.
?????

this is just getting a bit strange now.

freddies point is well taken. its a good word to the wise.... there are about 5 folks here whose info i will use without blinking an eye, the rest i may/maynot take their advise and mull it over before using/discarding it. and it has nothing to do with their post count.

wup... bump me up one more hehhehheh.

[CyanBlue]

Hopefully I am not one of them... Cuz, if that is, you will soon loose your job... :rolleyes:

[tg]

and it has nothing to do with their post count.

hehhehheh.

[budley]

I think it's easy to tell the post MONSTER? from the Guru's... I've seen some of the more helpful threads in this forum...LMAO

[CyanBlue]

I think it's easy to tell the post whores from the Guru's... I've seen some of the more helpful threads in this forum...LMAO
Um... Post what??? Don't you think that's abit too harsh word for you to use in public place like this??? and it ain't funny... :mad:

[freddycodes]

http://www.actionscript.org/forums/showthread.php3?t=47195&page=2&pp=15&highlight=whore
Searching on that terms produces 13 results.
There is not a warning in any of them as to the offensiveness of the word.

Following along with the theme of this thread, is it a reasonable expectation that one might feel comfortable using the word if it has been used 13 times already without causing a problem?

[annexion]

Maybe we need a [whore] tag...

[Colin Campbell]

I think it's easy to tell the post whores from the Guru's... I've seen some of the more helpful threads in this forum...LMAO


Theres a difference between post whore and general topic poster, bud. Look at my post per day count, 5.something, not exactly a number attributed to a spammer.

I'm sorry for my sour mood yesterday freddycodes, I got some pretty shocking news that I wasn't too happy about, and I over-reacted.

[CyanBlue]

Well... Here is my take as a person whoes native language is not English... :)

To me the whore sounds pretty bad and even shocking work to see over the public domain... It doesn't matter how you, read 'reader', are accustomed with that word... I don't see any reason why you could say 'hey, stranger... Look at that b**ch over there... She's got a really big ugly butt...' to me... I don't know how acceptable that line is to the person who is totally stranger... Well... Maybe I will think of some hot girl when I read that line over the forum and I might feel full of adrenaline... Maybe that will remind me of my cousin who might be in the same situation and I will feel bad... You never know...

To me, it just doesn't make sense... It doesn't matter how many times it was used... The words are used here context by context, that is true, but there are words that has to be used very cautiously...
When we talk over the forum, things can be translated very differently... I can write apple but you will read orange with no apparent reason... That's how people inteprete the written words... Things can be intepreted very differently depending on their mood and whatever else that is affecting you...

Yeah... I might be abit over sensitive, but we've got to think about other people who read the words in the forum... Once you speak something, it cannot be editted... The words are inscribed into their brain once they read it, and you cannot just edit that because you want to take it back...

Just my 2 cents on this matter... :)

[pixelwit]

A whore is someone who prostitutes themselves.

To prostitute yourself is to compromise your morals for personal gain.

A "Post Whore" could probably be described as a person who compromises the quality of the forums in an attempt to make themselves appear better than they are.

The word "whore" is just that, a word. It is used to describe a generally negative aspect of reality. Abolishing the word doesn't abolish the behavior it describes, it merely limits people's right to express themselves.

If however someone on the forums were to tell another member to, "Shut up you stupid whore." then I would probably take the necessary actions to prevent such a thing from happening again. Not because they used the word "whore", but because they verbally attacked another member. For the record, if somebody called me a stupid whore I'd probably take more offense to being called stupid than being called a whore. But we don't censor the word "stupid" do we?

What words should or shouldn't be censored is ultimately up to Jesse and Strok. As it stands now "whore" goes through the filter without any problem and that's fine by me.

-PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com

[tg]

if somebody called me a stupid whore I'd probably take more offense to being called stupid than being called a whore. -PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com
thats only cause your such a slut pixelwit... hehheh.

this whole thread has now gone a whole different direction than i thought it ever would.

[dr.swank]

is it over yet?? can I come out now??

[pixelwit]

thats only cause your such a slut pixelwit...
When you're right, you're right! :D

-PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com

[tg]

hehhehheh.

takes one to know one.

[budley]

It is so amazing to see how sensitive some people can be. Personally I am from the United States and, California to boot. Around here we use certain terms lightly I suppose. Maybe I will do a study in my Critical Thinking class next month on this very subject? Cyan, would it be possible to interview you some day say, next week? Anyways, I edited my post until this study is done, so till then you will all have to call each other "POST MONSTERS" ok. hahahahahahahahahaha...please don't hold my lightheartedness against me, after all, I kissed you're A**es in the beggining of this thread. hahahahahahahaha again. You guys are alright, I say.

Love,
Bud

[snapple]

Pixelwit, are you a sociologist, if not, a psycho-sociologist? A number of theoretical discourses of yours have made me wonder.

Best regards, snapple :)

[freddycodes]

I am from california also, I think they teach us the word whore in the 3rd grade here. But our public school system is a whole different beast.

Do I get kudos for turning an otherwise tame thread into a war of words?

[Colin Campbell]

I'll take most of the blame for that :)

[pixelwit]

Pixelwit, are you a sociologist, if not, a psycho-sociologist? A number of theoretical discourses of yours have made me wonder.

Best regards, snapple :)

Nope, I'm neither. Sometimes I just like to hear myself talk. Now I'm curious, what other "theoretical discourses" are you referring to? Did I sound smart? I likes soundin' smart.

To Colin. Relax, you're just a kid so you're allowed to be a little stupid every now and then. Besides even though you may post in General Chat frequently, I've seen you in the other forums trying to help out and that's something a lot of other kids would or could never do. You deserve credit for that (as does anyone else helping other people on the forums).

Who'd have thought...

var freddyCodes = troubleMaker;

And he seemed like such a nice guy. ;)

-PiXELWiT
http://www.pixelwit.com

[Colin Campbell]

*grabs popcorn*

This might get good ;)

By the way budley, Cyanblue likes to be called that and not Cyan, I learned that the hard way :)

[annexion]

And I like to be called "Perpetuated Incorporated, C.O. Annexion AKA Dave". From now on, that's what I shall be called. Anyone who doesn't follow my rules will suffer the wrath of all my 1,353 posts.

[Colin Campbell]

Alright Perpetuated Incorporated, C.O. Annexion AKA Dave, I'll be sure to follow your request ;)

[freddycodes]

Stating what you need to be called in the forums is a whole different problem which I will reserve the right to not comment on.

[annexion]

Heh

[freddycodes]

pixelwit you probably shouldn't use the keyword var, since this is not a localized variable.

[tg]

Do I get kudos for turning an otherwise tame thread into a war of words?

i'm likin it.

i love this crap.... adds color.

[farafiro]

day after day I figure out that this place have/include (donno the right English word) very weird/ different minds people
I'm outt here
see ya friends

[dr.swank]

i vote for user55127 and such, it sounds so verz personal.

[CyanBlue]

pixelwit you probably shouldn't use the keyword var, since this is not a localized variable.
Puhahaha... That is so true... :)
(Wonder if I EVER used var in my files though... :D)

Alrighty... There has been lots of discussions while I was gone yesterday... Good... Very informative... Lots of points taken... and revised... and swallowed... ;)

Yo, Colin... As I was stating... I don't mind my 'friends' calling me whatever as long as I can recognize it... I'm cool with that... ;)

budley... Um... Interview you said??? (Do I need to prepare my formal attire???) Well... I don't mind as long as you catch me in the right time... :D

[budley]

Yes, formal attire will be nessasary as you will be escorting me to the Ritz Carlton Montego Bay, Jamaica (your paying the bill as well). There we will meet up with Our personal hosts, Kitty Hardon and Cindy Jizz who will feed us grapes and champagne while we discuss the in's and out's of your Philosophy of the sensitive mind.

Call me when you are available...

Bud

[CyanBlue]

Yeah... Sounds good... I prefer you move all that you said to Virginia... :)

[budley]

Now maybe I should try to find the beggining of this post and get that book you all said I should read. If this post ever ends I might have time to read it also?

[CyanBlue]

Yup... Agreed... Now you know how to bump up the post counts as well... :D

[freddycodes]

Kitty Hardon and Cindy Jizz


I would be very interested in learning how these two names are okay but whore is not? :confused:

These are far worse

[budley]

Virginia? Well maybe some other time...if my boss finds out I am writing this BS I might get fired...hopefully I get the chance to do this again soon but not now... have a nice day!!!

[CyanBlue]

Yeah... Likewise... :)

[annexion]

Oh, yeah, meee tooooo......