Death of Flash ???

[xxlm]

Ok I've seen several news dealing with "PROCESSING".
You dunno what it is?
It's a language based on JAVA, but looking like as2.
Héhéhé.

The library is pretty big and you can do lots of stuff with it.
Check thoses links:

http://processing.org/
http://www.tweenpix.net/archives/000430.html

C ya

[vilehelm]

No suitable plugins found for Mozilla Firefox ... Houston, we have a problem. ;)

It's free, I like free.

[xxlm]

You need to have java plugin that's all.
So just intall it and see... :)
really amazing and FAST.

But I think actually it's only for experimental stuff (I mean based on Math like bit101 is making :) ) OR for game.

[xxlm]

btw Fast is once the plugin is load, else the loading time for the plug is LONG lol

[Dark_Element]

xxlm u really had me worried for a second ago lol. i thought u found something about macromedia saying flash will go... but then again if flash dies shockwave will replace it LMAO

[xxlm]

No flash will not die, but MM have to move their ass cause when you're seeing products like this one, you can say flash need some "really new" feature.
First off all I think they should redo all the actionscript. I mean as2 for now is only as1 made "beatifull" and usable. AS2 is a OO language, but it is still decode to as1 and then used in flash player.
So the first step should be to do a completly re-worked language and at the same time add good features...
I don't see any news telling such things for the 8ball.
Wait and see...

[xxlm]

Re-reading my post I need to be clear.
I mean didn't see new for new language.
Else yes there is already good fetures annonced by MM.

[Dark_Element]

...flash should have 3D support... cos looking at shockwave i am losing faith in flash *sigh* proberbly i'll learn director and make a game with that later when i'm finished with EXSAE's flash real time project and take a extra extra long brake from programing and math (my dad forces me to give up holidays to do math... :S)

[vilehelm]

Got it working.

CRAZY fast... can't see flash handling some of that stuff with that kind of consistent speed.

[Dark_Element]

...how come MM's lack of efforts reminds me of Microsoft?...

i guess right now MM is not selling flash's actual abilities... its just its compadability (remember? over 90% of all internet users has flash), cos if i was a client and i wanted to run an app i wouldnt go downloading java plugins and all that crap

[issamneo]

when i listen java --> good work:
i think this processing will be a concurent of flash if he grow up

[xxlm]

yes I think too...
Let's see ...

[Dark_Element]

well i doubt it will ever beat shockwave thou... i could very well be wrong lol (and i proberbly am lmao)

[xxlm]

have you seen the link provide?
Have you seen what those guys made with so few code...

:) Amazing

[Dark_Element]

.....how does it stand with C++ and JAVA? and hows its multi user Socket capabilities? cos if its better than C++ and JAVA then ill make a game out of that insted (later on ofcorse)

[xxlm]

Check the link, read the doc :) :)

[snapple]

That's neat stuff. Seriously good. No plugin (relatively speaking). Some of the examples on processing.org (especially the 2nd one) are very good indeed. I can easily see this beating Flash into the ground. Java and good Javascript has long been capable of doing anything that Flash can do.

Regards, snapple :)

[farafiro]

I remember this kinda fears showd up when SVG (http://www.cadstd.com/svg/index.html) appeared

[xxlm]

Not the same use I think...
I could be wrong...

[Colin Campbell]

I don't think the need for a plugin (or lack there of) is that big of a deal, at least anymore. The Flash Players penetration into the market is very good, not many people don't have it, and those that don't, usually get it quickly when they realize that Flash is used almost everywhere now-a-days, ads on sites, flash sites, etc.

I'd wait until we see Flash Player 8 to start writing off Flash for other, seemingly more advanced technologies. FP8 looks great and seems to have great performance increases.

[xxlm]

Yeah Campbell.
I don't tell that flash will die NOW.
It was a warning. When you se what processing is able to do (have you seen the tile map at 282 fps !!!) I'm saying that MM have to move their ass - what I'm sure they're doing since MX *hum* - to stay on the course.
Moreover, processing is FREE. And that's very important. No licence, nothing... Everyone could write code in processing...

Get what I mean?

[Dark_Element]

i get what you mean. its like windows and linux. linux is faster, stabler (doubt that word excists), less system resource consuming, more reliable, less likely to be infected by viruses, its free and everyone can make a distro off the original kernal but people dont use it cos almost all commercial computers comes with windows of some kind and not linux... and when you look into windows's kernal its a whole pile of ****!. microsoft CBF making new changes and always pushes out almost the same bundle of crap yet with another crapily built new wrapper...

[xxlm]

Not exactly but it's a good comparaison... :)
Sure that MM have the advantage of their penetration of their player... But without any real new features, it will be forget.

But I hope that the 8ball will kicks all asses and make me shut up... :)

C ya

[stealthelephant]

omg this looks good!!
AS has drawbacks some serious ones imo this looks goooood

[snapple]

I'm not overly concerned. It's still just a Java applet, all thats really changed is that some of the complex aspects of the language have been hidden with new parts added - its just (like most langauges these days) attempting to make its self even more widely used by hiding the hard parts. Plus, it represents only one aspect of flash, how many people think of flash as just creating particles or moving blocks or floating clouds in abastract colours? Not many...i hope.

Regards, snapple :)

[Dark_Element]

I agree with snapple. flash is quite good and as a member of ACTIONSCRIPT .org you guys should have some faith in the programing language you specialize in. eg: I never lost any form of faith in PHP when ASP.NET came out cos i know ZEND+PHP kicks ass!

[xxlm]

Not many rite, but it's a start...
And Dark, I have faith in FLASH. I'm addicted to ;)

But it's just a shout. Cause I don't think MM move their ass those last years... :)
And moreover, this processing is amazing and FREE :)

[annexion]

stealthelephant, care to impart upon us what it is you think are handicaps in Flash other than its ability to run in Windows?

[stealthelephant]

stealthelephant, care to impart upon us what it is you think are handicaps in Flash other than its ability to run in Windows?

from a design point of few its missing serveral of the abilities that exist in other languages, i like flash but it harder to maintain when projects get large, movieclips too are strange and can get a little funky

when i say flash i mean AS 2.0 - i am just not as comfortable with it as other languages

[avelives]

Speaking from the point of view of some one whos more visually minded (i am awful at maths and coding i get bored to quickly lol) i dont think flash will be going anywhere..

Its so well used and easy to use to !
And bear in mind its used for ad banners and the like i doubt anything else will replace it any time soon !

As impressive as the processing.org is i for one think flash has so much more to offer and add swift 3d and the integration of other scripting languages and i reckon flash is pretty powerful.

[annexion]

stealthelephant, don't confuse your handicap with a language with a handicap in the language itself. There are few flash developers I know of who could even say what handicaps exist, let alone why they exist. I'd venture to say that you're not one of them.