swift 3d

[coolioman]

hey. does any 1 know where i can get an inexpensive copy of swift 3d or any other 3d modeling program?

im searching ebay until some 1 replies


happy holidays! ;)

[CyanBlue]

I don't know what you mean by 'an inexpensive copy', but if you are a student, you should be able to get an educational version... Go check out their site for more information...

[farafiro]

I don't think it's much expensive, or getan older version (v3)

[coolioman]

cyan blue, "inexpensive" means not expensive.

[coolioman]

what is "electric rain".
i heard it was another ok 3d modeling program.

[farafiro]

electric rain is the company that releases this program

[coolioman]

oooohhhhhh

thanks

[coolioman]

ive been searchin the net 4 days, and i cant seem to find swift 3d version 3
ANY version of swift 3d will be fine. even version 2.
ive searched swift 3d.com, but all they seem to have is version 4.

i dont really want to buy v4 for 200$.

can any 1 give me a liink 2 a site that has swift 3d v2, or v3?

it will be greatly appreciated

[farafiro]

I have V3, but it's registered and I can't send it to you
sorry
but why don't you email the company itself and ask them for it

[coolioman]

what about autoCAD?

[farafiro]

donno anything about it

[CyanBlue]

The reason why I asked what would be an inexpensive price for you is because I don't know how much your budget is...

As for the AutoCad... The AutoCad 2005 costs $3750 and I don't think that's within your budget either... I think Swift 3D sounds like a good option for you even though it might not be within the boundary...

[coolioman]

im lookin 4 maybe from $20 to possibly $100

[baby_annie]

Swift 3d is very cool for flash 3d animation. Warning,Coolioman: You got a PM :)

[mmm..pi..3.14..]

I used to think Swift3D was the coolest thing ever, but after getting After Effects and Maya Unlimited, Swift3D compared to other programs is like comparing a Pinto to the space shuttle :p Though it does come in handy for those simple 3D projects ;)

I would give you my version of swift 3D (Version 3.0), but I don't think that's exactly legal :(, and I ain't exactly going to get involved in bootlegging programs anytime soon :)

Eric

[coolioman]

oh. :( :( :( :( :(
ok

[CyanBlue]

Yeah... You cannot really compare Swift 3D with Maya... Yet, Swift 3D does simple jobs as you have mentioned, Eric... I've been pulling the points several years so far, and I've touched multiple programs, and my best pick follows this order... Houdini, LightWave, Maya... :)

The bottom line... Nobody does anything illegal in the forum!!! I'll hunt you down to the end of the M$ if you ever do... :D

[Cota]

Just to make a point, Illegal does tend to change from state to state....so...which illegal are we talking about?

[splict]

All of them. Being that the server's in Canada I would say there at the very least. Being the intention of the forum is legal actionscript help, I would say any major country that we could realistically abide by its laws, then we should. Theres no reason not too.

Lightwave, bleh! I have a particular distaste for that ;) Been having to use it at work a lot. Never really played with Houdini, though. I like Maya, then 3dsmax.

[senocular]

Blender is free

[CyanBlue]

Bleh to LightWave??? Come on... I started working on LightWave ever since it was on Amiga... Give it some credit... :p Yeah... I guess it goes with the personal taste since I don't like 3DS Max at all... Don't know why and don't ask me why... I just don't get to do things well in 3DS Max... :D

Well... The bottom line is that we've got to use our common sense when it comes to the illegal things... If middle finger means something bad in one country, chances are that some other countries won't give a damn about what that means in their own country even though they know what it actually means in another country... But, if you do know what it means, you probably won't use it again because you know it is bad... That's all I am saying... ;)

[coolioman]

yo senocular, whats this "blender" u talk about??
if its free, im headin 4 it ;)

ive got AIM too, so maybe ill ask u about it there

every 1 else: whats maya? whats 3ds max? how much do these programs cost?
sorry to be askin these stupid questions. :(
im a newbie too this stuff. :( :( any program will be fine

regards
- coolioman -

[CyanBlue]

Well... GOOGLE them and you shall find what you are looking for... :D

http://www.blender.org/
http://www.alias.com/eng/products-services/maya/
http://www4.discreet.com/3dsmax/

[coolioman]

i just downloaded blender, and found out it was harder to use than i thought it would be.
but before i really get into it, i have a question: is there a way to import 3d blender-made animations/images into flash mx 2004?
i would really like to know

thanx 4 postin

[CyanBlue]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=blender+flash+export

[coolioman]

ok, i already got the images into flash, but now- its the animations i want.
thanks 4 da link, cyan blue

[CyanBlue]

Well... Export the image sequences from the program you are using and import it into the Flash... :)

[coolioman]

i found this thing for blender thats called flender or somthin.
its a python script that u put in ur .blend file that makes it so u can export animations.
i used your link to get it.

ps: do u have blender?

[CyanBlue]

No, I don't, and 3D program is not really the best interest of this forum... ;)

[CyanBlue]

I don't really know... The thread started by you asking where you can get a cheaper copy of 3D program not how you can import the 3D animation into the Flash, right??? :)

You sure can post whatever you want to ask whether it is related to Flash or not... But what I am saying is that you will have better chance to ask people in that place how you can export SWF animation that you can import into the Flash...

[Bosworth]

I highly recommend Swift 3d v4 - - -

I have used it professionally to create some quite complex models that fit into Flash seamlessly...

the big change from 3 is that 4 contains a much improved Advanced Modeler section (that did not exist in 3) = which gives you all the BASIC tools of higher end apps like maya and studioMAX. this is not to say you get all the fantastic effects and features of apps that cost 20 times more (i mean - $200 is dirt cheap). But - what you do get is surprisingly powerful.

Most importantly - Swift outputs either raster stacks (that can be imported as jpegs) - but (and this is so cool) also VECTOR stacks that import directly into Flash as editable layers. - don't like the highlights on that particular orb? delete it in flash.

Honestly - I'm not even comparing this app to high end progs = but if you are a time to time user of 3d objects in Flash - Swift is basically ideal. and a whole helluvalot easier to learn that its Elder cousins.

If you are a user of Lightwave - or 3dStudioMax - Erainoffers plugins for both of those apps as well - and will let you output vector animations as well.

I hear that Swift is offering trial versions if you contact Erain directly.

try it - youll like it, I swear


b()X

[Dark_Element]

what about autoCAD?

Believe me you dont want to get autoCAD... its far tooo expensive (around 1000 to 3000 a copy) and to what i've seen its modeling ability is quite limited....

And for the matter of a 3D modeling program... why not get a trial vr and crack it? (talking about 3DS MAX) they cant include registeration in the outputed file now can they? (even if they do i bet you can remove/modify it).

since we are not allowded to post warez here ill NOT include any links

[Bosworth]

I use AutoCAD at times - (and can import DFX files into Swift btw)
It uses a VERY different method of modeling than does most apps... but, hey = its for engineers. It stresses specific measurements - and is focused on creating schematics whereby the builders can build from. (ie - surfaces and not meshes.)

This is a very different objective than most modeling apps = which is directed at cool ass graphics and what not...

as far as warez goes - P2Ps hold all the goodness you will ever need... I recommend WinMX.

however... I have a basic problem with making money off of software you didn't pay for. I'm all for cracked apps if you are in the learning stage ... - but damn - you start selling your sh*t and that is another ball o wax. not to mention companies like ACAD will hunt your ass down if they think you are profitting from them w/out a licence..


b()X

[Dark_Element]

yea but how would they know you have a cracked version? take flash for one i never paid for it and i publish all my files through my school computers which uses lisenced software... sure i can publish them too on my computer but even then how the hell will macromedia know unless one of you guys squeel on me?

[CyanBlue]

Here is a friendly advice to you guys... ;)
why not get a trial vr and crack it?
STOP talking about the software piracy at the AS.org... NO body and nothing is going to help us in any ways by doing so... I don't really care whether it is for the commercial or learning purpose... STOP RIGHT THERE!!! :)

However, I think it is okay to talk about how people can actually track who's using what... As we all know, Flash has a beacon that calls the mothership everytime you fire it up... Don't know what it is doing, but it does that... (Don't ask me cuz I don't know what it is doing either...) Let's say that you some how get away from it... and bring your FLA file to the school and publish the SWF files out of it and I think you are fine at that point... But somehow some fatso at the lab saw your movie and thought that it's a cool one, so he put that movie on his website... Some big ad agency guy saw that movie and thought that it was cool and he'd like to hire whoever made that SWF file... So that fatso calls you up and you get to get hired... Happy ending here... :)

But what if a somebody who's policing the web who happened to have found your cool movie on somebody else's commercial project... That web police askes the owner of the website where he'd got that movie... He says that he's got it from one of those college kid somewhere... The Flash movie that you make from the school computer which should be used for the learning purpose only should not be used to create a commercial version... So, the web police digs abit further, it normally won't happen unless he's at the end of his divorce trial of course, and he threatens your school... The IT guy at the school says that he has no knowledge of who's doing what... You are lucky if your school has no login process and no camera in the lab... Otherwise, you might get busted... You never know... :D

I am just saying that they probably will be able to catch you if they want to, or if they are at the end of their divorce trial as I have said before... It's rather easy if they know where you are, in this case a big school where they already have sold some licenses... That's all I am saying... ;)

[Bosworth]

yea but how would they know you have a cracked version?

thats not the point - to make money off of someone else's hard work without properly compensating them - IS BAD KARMA. it behooves us to do good in the world.

just for the record = my official stance is

PAY THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO MADE THE SOFTWARE YOU USE AND LOVE - they deserve every dime.


b()X

[Bosworth]

As we all know, Flash has a beacon that calls the mothership everytime you fire it up...

I'm getting out my tinfoil hat. :D

[coolioman]

i downloaded blender3d, and i so far i am satisfied with it. some of the models ive seen people make look like a photo.
im not saying this is the best modeling program, but for free, its pretty swell.

i dont know if i should get a copy of swift3d or 3ds max.
i dont want to buy anything that wont work on my compy.

it takes about 20 to 30 seconds to load up f mx 2004.
i wonder how long it would take to load up swift 3d...

[coolioman]

what about 3d CAD by swift?

[CyanBlue]

This looks like a good place to drop that question... (Though, the loading speed will pretty much be depending on your computer spec...)
http://www.erain.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

[Bosworth]

damn - I just wrote out this drawn out reply and it went blip- sorry coolioman...

just to recap on the reply you wont see -

check out YAFRAY - wich is a free raytracing plugin for Blender (giving you more complex reders)

again - swift is $200 - 3dsMAX is $3000. you choose.

your machine will chug on complex meshes unless its pretty balsy.

don't know a thing about 3d CAD...

finally -

The fact that swift outputs lightweight (read - low bandwidth) vector animations that are directly editable in flash should give any flash developer (that wants to include 3d objects) pause. Off the top of my head www.tokyoplastic.com is a damn cool site that uses single color, cartoon fill vectors (created in swift) - to great effect...

I will second the forums at erain is a good place to find some o this schtuff out.

b()X

[Cota]

Has anyone here tried GameSpace, its affordable. Its pretty good for basic to intermediate modeling, along with some, I mean some, advanced stuff. Or maybe its just advanced to me.

[coolioman]

tell me more about your experience with this "gamespace" u talk of.

[Cota]

Check it out:
http://www.caligari.com/gamespace/

I use it for game modeling. It does simplify a lot of modeling, at least in my opinion, and I love the interface. I think the interface is what makes it so comfortable for me. I tried 3DSmax and Maya, and I was so lost trying to find the controls that were burried with in 3 or 4 sub-menu's. Dont have that problem with GameSpace. I guess each person has their own opinion though. Some of the hardcore modeling poeple would probably laugh at it.

[coolioman]

thanx, but i dont really want to pay 300$.

i was looking for something ranging from 20$ (yeah, right) to 100$.

i have a friend that knows a little bit about the CADs. he said they're either their really good, or they stink.

check this out: ebay CAD (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3771&item=7126395243&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)

or this: ebay cad 2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3771&item=7127028442&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW)

those things are probably WAY outdated, but, what've u got to lose?

i saw autoCAD lt 2005 in a compy magazine, and it was like 3000$. in the discription, it said " create 2d drawings, etc etc.

2D?!? who wants to make 2d models when theres all those 3d modeling programs out there??

regards, ( and no offense to those with A-CAD lt 2005)

[Cota]

Have you tried AMAPI....I remember they gave out this free version once, which is where I got mine.

[Dark_Element]

I have zone alarm and i denies the request from flash every time... so i doubt that will get me busted (unless macromedia knows how to hack past zone alam, but then zone labs will either a. sue them b. stops that exploitable spot) and as for the publishing process... i really don't make small movies at all im making multiplayer games in it but for a bit of time i doubt my group would actually charge anyone for anything. And even if we do we would deffinitely buy the full version (im not that stupid :P). Finally its most likely that we would of moved onto JAVA by the time we started making people pay for stuff.

And erh don't you think its a bit back breaking for students like me to buy such expensive software (flash MX 2004 in aus is around $500)?

[coolioman]

check out YAFRAY - wich is a free raytracing plugin for Blender (giving you more complex reders)

b()Xive already downloaded yafray... but i dont know if its working or not :p

is there a way to tell?
do i have to store the file in a certain folder

[coolioman]

hey cota,

could you give me a link to where u got your AMAPI?
not just to the site, but the page where u downloaded it

it will be appreciated

[Bosworth]

under the render panel in object mode -
the default is "blender interal"
if you click on that selector box - if yayfray is loaded properly - it will come up as an option (as your redering device). yayfray probably shows up in the plugin folder of the blender file - but I didn't have to do anything special to get it there - just install.

can't say that I have spent much time working with either blender or the yayfray plugin - but that is basically it.

check out www.blender.org = and there should be some forums or at least tutorials to get you on your way...

good luck

b({})x

[coolioman]

thanx.

that worked

[troy]

If u go to Computer arts magazine or maxxon you will be able to down load cinema 4d
which you can export your 3d files you create as jpegs.and then into flash

[Bosworth]

If u go to Computer arts magazine or maxxon you will be able to down load cinema 4d
which you can export your 3d files you create as jpegs.and then into flash

most 3d apps will render out a .Mov file = which can be imported into flash as frames (a stack of jpegs). not to beat a dead horse - but swift outputs VECTORS. and that is why its stoopid cool.

:)

[mr.sassy]

Hi Im also trying to compile a portfolio of work in ms word.
However I have a few ms word documents that I want to include.
the portfolio is going to be on cd not online.
Im wondering if anybody Knows script to call the ms word documents
into ms word and have them still function as online. Ps I dont want to call the URL
because the site is australian.
thnx

[coolioman]

hey troy, did u download the demo version or the full version?
i didnt think u could download the full version

[coolioman]

hey.
i found a copy of the original cinema 4d.
is that any good? it was pretty cheap, so if its any good, im buying it

[CyanBlue]

It's reasonably good software from my experience... It should be good starter for you as long as you don't expect to create a starwars out of it... :)

[splict]

I really like cinema4d. Its easy to use and you can buy sections of it corresponding to the features you need. Its pretty good quality, too. :)

[coolioman]

i just found out that the cinema 4d is for amiga, and comes with 6 floppies instead of a cd. Whats up with this?

[CyanBlue]

Can you at least search from the company's site before you post that???
System Requirements:

Minimum System Requirements:
Mac OS X 10.3 or Windows 2000 / XP
512 MByte RAM, CPU from 1GHz

Recommended System Requirements:
Mac OS X 10.3 or Windows 2000 / XP
1024 MByte RAM, CPU from 2GHz
QuickTime
up-to-date OpenGL graphics card

[coolioman]

ya, i should've searched the site.

[Abelius]

Well, another cool 3D program is http://www.sketchup.com, just it will NOT export into any Flash format... You can export is as a PNG tho...

[Lost ?]

3d studio Max = good

[Dark_Element]

bryce 5 = faster

lol. though you got to admit. if your making enviroment related stuff bryce is faster... but not as flexable

[Lost ?]

good point = yes :D

[coolioman]

i found this old windows 95 program in my basement called "trispectives". I watched the intro, and it seemed like it was one of the first 3-d modleing programs to be released. i tried it and it wasnt any good. But it could export in gif format...

[Lost ?]

Whoa.... sounds weird. Pity im running a mac. :(