Frame or not is the question

[Xeef]

how many browsers are out there wich does NOT suport "frame"

woud it by a big mistake to let a side totaly depend on frames ??

if a browser suport it (IE , FF ..)

can the user disable it ???

is there any securiti isue whit it or are browsers wich not suport it just to old ?

[Cota]

If I undertsand the question correctly, then Frames are safe for the most part...but....by using <noframe> along with frames, you can protect against those browsers that dont support frames without losing the user. At least in theory anyway.

[Xeef]

yeh i just wana keap it as smal as posible if i send the data twice isn't good
so if there is somebody whit out "frames" the he shoud update the browser !

to by crossbrowser viewabel is nice but i not wana take care for browsers from 1975

so i think the comune browsers eg. IE,FF,NS suport frames ! ??

THX Cota

[Cota]

The browser from 1975 wouldnt support images or anything but text....Besides, if you find someone using a browser from 1975, we need to make that person king! Cause thats some impressive stuff.... :D

Seriously, my only complaint with frames is that sometimes they just go nuts and wont work, then you refresh the browser and they work...pains I tell you, pains..

[Xeef]

Hmmm

it's seams i so or so not get the result i want :(

or i am maiby wrong ?

what i want is have a header (a menu) on one frame (top) and the content in the other
something like As.Org
but if you go to other content the header not needs to refreshed again
BUT if a have this then the bottom frame get's its own scroll on the side
but i wana also scroll the top
wich is still managable when i embed the html whit the frames in an other html
whit

<iframe src="top&bottom-frames.html" height="1000px"></iframe>
the problem is the 1000px it's not seams so that i can set this to what ever so it automatikly takes the proper size
javascript isn't an option to callculate it and to callculate it serverside is to stresy

[Boskic.com]

If you want to put height to 1000px then height="1000" NOT 1000px.
But if you want to set your height automaticly, put height="100%" or less %.
<iframe src="top&bottom-frames.html" height="100%"></iframe>

[Xeef]

px or not doesn't seams to make a diference

this is top&Bottom

<frameset rows="80,*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0">
<frame src="UntitledFrame-24.htm" name="topFrame" scrolling="NO" noresize>
<frame src="Untitled-22.htm" name="mainFrame" style="overflow:visible" scrolling="NO">
</frameset>

what ever i do either the content of Bottom is cut down or i have a scroll bar IN the frame what i DON't want
the scroll bar shoud by at the side of the browser so the HOLE content is scrolling
top & bottom (together)