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Old 04-03-2002, 12:16 AM   #1
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Unhappy Streaming Flash Player 6

Hi guys
i hope i've chosen the right board for this one!
i've just downloaded flash player6 only to start reading
about streaming problems. i hope you don't mind but i'm
copying and pasting these comments from two news groups as
it looks bad. does anybody know anything about this?

"Jon C-C" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<a8857p$omv$[email protected]>...
> Here is our situation:
> We have a site on which the user could listen to a variety of sound clips.
> When they picked a section the piece of music streams down. In Flash 5, when
> they moved to a different section the first piece of music would halt
> downloading, allowing the second piece to take the bandwidth and stream
> down.

> In Flash MX however, we are horrified to find that even after the movie clip
> has been removed from the timeline, the piece continues to be downloaded in
> the backgroud until it is completely downloaded, it doesn't play, it doesn't
> have any effect on the timeline. However it hogs the bandwidth and stops
> anything else being loaded in until it's finished loading in its entirety.
>
> We have checked this further and can replicate this with dynamically loaded
> swf too which as you can imagine has huge impact on sites designed to stream
> on demand.
>
> The problem seems to lie with the new Flash 6 player! Flash 5 site running
> Flash 5 player is ok while Flash 5 site running on Flash 6 player is not.
>
> Is there any notes re this change in functionality as it has huge impacts on
> the sites we have designed that utilise streaming! Is it a change in
> functionality or a bug we can look forward to eradication asap?
>
> Macromedias comments would be greatly appreciated so we can explain to our
> clients why sites that once streamed down efficiently now stall and fail to
> stream at all leavin.
>
> Jon
> Technical Director
> C4 Multimedia
> www.c4multimedia.co.uk

oh man..

after reading your post, I took a look at my flash5 format jukebox
which has externally loaded in streaming format for the sounds.

It USED to work great.. people could listen to half a song, then click
another song, and it would start streaming that song..

Now with the Flash MX plugin in my browser, it doesn't do that at all!
it just sits there until the other song is completely downloaded THEN
starts to load the current song.

The songs are getting loaded into 1 movieclip, so it should replace
the other song immediately on request to play a new song.. but it
doesnt!!!

This is a horrible bug and really needs a patch.. how come no comments
from Macromedia on this?

And if this isn't a bug but a feature, I would have thought MM's
plugins would be backwards compatible to the previous version of their
software!!

Macromedias response is unbelievable. The impact on Flash is huge if the
majority of web users realise having the flash 6 plugin loaded is likely to
hog their bandwidth.

You are lucky in you can control what player is in use by your viewers - the
internet however is a totally different issue though and as more and more
have their player upgraded the problems will grow.

The biggest issue is that the new player continues to download the swf even
when you have left the url! Doesnt take many sites with flash components to
bog down your download queue!


"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Ak7q8.8663$[email protected] hlink.net...
> I have had the same problem. Macormedia tech support told me that it was
> not an issue and that they could not replicate it. I told the guy exactly
> what was happening, and he said that its not anything that they are aware
> of -- he took a bug report, but I don't thnik, by his tone - that anything
> will come of it.
>
> We have a system that loads CBT files dynamically into a host movie. When
> the user answers certain questions, the master file loads the new file -
> even if the old file has not finished loading. If this happens more than
> one time, the users cannot access anything else on our site because 2
files
> are being downloaded.
>
> This has really been a problem for us - I don't understand why it was
> changed from Flash 5 to Flash 6, but this is certainly not a positive
> upgrade. We pushed out Flash 6 player to all of our end users - and
noticed
> this as an issue - now we have to uninstall the plugin and push out the
> Flash 5 player to them again. Not cool!
>
> Christina
> University of Arizona IT Dept.
>
> "Jon C-C" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a8a0r4$jm4$[email protected]..
> > Here is our situation:
> > We have a site on which the user could listen to a variety of sound
> clips.
> > When they picked a section the piece of music streams down. In Flash 5,
> when
> > they moved to a different section the first piece of music would halt
> > downloading, allowing the second piece to take the bandwidth and stream
> > down.
> >
> > In Flash MX however, we are horrified to find that even after the movie
> clip
> > has been removed from the timeline, the piece continues to be downloaded
> in
> > the backgroud until it is completely downloaded, it doesn't play, it
> doesn't
> > have any effect on the timeline. However it hogs the bandwidth and stops
> > anything else being loaded in until it's finished loading in its
entirety.
> >
> > We have checked this further and can replicate this with dynamically
> loaded
> > swf too which as you can imagine has huge impact on sites designed to
> stream
> > on demand.
> >
> > The problem seems to lie with the new Flash 6 player! Flash 5 site
running
> > Flash 5 player is ok while Flash 5 site running on Flash 6 player is
not.
> >
> > Is there any notes re this change in functionality as it has huge
impacts
> on
> > the sites we have designed that utilise streaming! Is it a change in
> > functionality or a bug we can look forward to eradication asap?
> >
> > Macromedias comments would be greatly appreciated so we can explain to
our
> > clients why sites that once streamed down efficiently now stall and fail
> to
> > stream at all leavin.
> >
> > Jon
> > Technical Director
> > C4 Multimedia
> > www.c4multimedia.co.uk

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Old 04-03-2002, 04:07 AM   #2
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Sounds interesting. I'd be surprised if MM had truely overlooked this problem; even with what people say about MX and the Player 6 being rushed out, MM have a good rep. for producing quality software.
The first post you quote states that they 'remove' the clips before loading others. Any idea what methods are used when removing? That strikes me as a possible casuse, because the later problem works on the (previously true) assumption that loading new content into the same MC will halt the original load. This always used to work but no where in the docs (to my knowledge) was it actually defined as a feature, or recommended. It may be the case that we've all just gotten used to using somewhat 'slack' programming practices with such things; perhaps in Flash MX we have to specifically unload the original before loading another.
Or perhaps MM screwed up I'm not saying it's impossible.
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Old 04-03-2002, 06:00 AM   #3
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i've passed this link on to the other guys involved maybe they
can be more specific with their methods. but which ever way it
doesn't look good at face value

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The biggest issue is that the new player continues to download the swf even
when you have left the url! Doesnt take many sites with flash components to
bog down your download queue!
This one sounds very BUGGY
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Old 04-03-2002, 09:32 AM   #5
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Latest news from Macromedia is they are working on a
new player now!!!!!!!

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Old 04-03-2002, 10:00 AM   #6
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there's a seven page thread on this probem at flash kit
http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...6&pagenumber=1

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Old 04-03-2002, 10:59 AM   #7
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Hehe not infellable after all. At least they're making another one. Too bad for us in the interim though huh?
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Old 04-03-2002, 11:14 AM   #8
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hehe they must be working 24/7 on this one including the
tea boys
if its not sorted like yesterday watch the stink as it gains
momentum!!

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