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Have a look... This is the thread from the FlashMacromedia Yahoo Group regarding Macromedia Central... I think this will be useful information...
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:16:46 -0400
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Has anyone head anything about this?

http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:20:45 -0500
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There's more here:

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...omediacentral/

-f.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:00:52 -0800
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nope, this is the first I've seen this. Sounds cool

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:30:35 -0600
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Is this a step toward working with the limitations of a web browser?
Rumors have flown for years about a Flash based browser.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:03:45 -0400
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I haven't read the whole white paper but the part that interested me
was...how did they phrase it..."Occasionally Connected Computing".

Perhaps this is also an entry into application development and not just web
application development. Which would be very nice.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:12:15 -0000
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Looks great! I've already a couple of applications in my mind that would
fit right in there... Hope they approve me for beta-testing...

Rui

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:18:32 -0400
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I really hope this means a more robust set of tools for storage of data on
the users machine.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:30:57 -0500
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I assume it's pretty much the same thing as using a projector. I would
be anxious to see if some of the things we are forced to use 3rd party
projector tools are addressed in it...
jay

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:47:43 +0100
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Don't get your hopes up:

<whitepaper>
All installed applications are contained within a secure environment, the same
as in the web browser, where they are not allowed direct access to the user's
hard disk or other applications running on the local computer. This enables
users to try a wide number of applications easily without fear of viruses or
other random mischief on their machines.
</whitepaper>

So, as far as I can tell, you won't be able to store data (e.g. write to disk).

I think however, that it will allow us to distribute screenweaver apps more
easily though, so that's a plus.
It's not quite clear what will be possible and what not... (at least not to me).
Guess we'll have to wait for more details.

regards,
Muzak

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:53:40 -0600
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> I really hope this means a more robust set of tools for storage of
> data on the users machine.

Even better would be better XML handling, such as a native SOAP
interface. The ability to consume .NET web services would be nice. Room in
the object model to access external libraries, such as COM dlls, server side
controls, etc. What we need is more server-side control, without having to
use external files. An ADO implementation would be nice.

Now, I realize that all of these things can be done right now with the
proper server-side technologies, such as FCS and Remoting, but I'm talking
about native functionality within Flash itself.

ryanm

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:42:56 -0800
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It has an internal API for making SOAP based web service requests.

mike chambers

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:48:05 -0800
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OHHH don't tease me with you ADO talk!

John Grden
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:42:27 -0400
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1 jigger Visual studio
1 jigger Flash

Shake and pour!!!!

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:57:13 -0600
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That's what I'm talking about! : )

ryanm

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:54:01 -0600
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> OHHH don't tease me with you ADO talk!

Heh. Is anyone else here playing with Flash and .NET to see what kinds
of cool stuff is possible? I'm still learning C# and .NET, but so far from
what I've seen the .NET architecture really starts to blur the line between
client-side and server-side scripting. You have events that carry over from
client to server, for example, you can have server-side postback onClick
events for a button that go to the database and return data. Of course, this
isn't very useful for Flash right now, because you would lose state when the
page posts, but I think a similar architecture could be implemented inside
flash to make all of the server communication much easier and more seamless.
The use of user controls (.ascx files) is very cool, and could contain flash
files that pull all kinds of data from varied data sources (database, xml,
etc). Makes me wish I had spent the time to learn .NET when it first came
out.

ryanm

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:52:48 -0800
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hehe, can anyone give it up for VIEWSTATE? Amen.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:56:11 -0600
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> <whitepaper>
> All installed applications are contained within a secure environment, the
> same as in the web browser, where they are not allowed direct access to the
> user's hard disk or other applications running on the local computer. This
> enables users to try a wide number of applications easily without fear of
> viruses or other random mischief on their machines.
> </whitepaper>

That sucks. They should leave the sandbox model for the browser-based
swf files, and let exe's work on the desktop just like any other exe. I
mean, an exe is an exe is an exe, why do they need to constrain us with
flash exes?

ryanm

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:53:06 -0800
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totaly agree

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:43:48 -0800
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Here is some info from the KeyNote:

http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/001978.cfm

mike chambers

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> They should leave the sandbox model for the browser-based swf files,
> and let exe's work on the desktop just like any other exe. I mean,
> an exe is an exe is an exe, why do they need to constrain us with
> flash exes?

Well, it sounds like you want an .EXE then.... ;-)

Standalone native-code applications are great. But you really have to trust
someone to let their code execute on your machine. The downloads are pretty
big too.

With document browsers, it's fun to jump to another page just by clicking a
link. But because you can visit anyone in the universe, you have to be very
careful about what a page can do to your system.

Macromedia Central walks between these two extremes. It's not a standalone
application, not a document browser... closest term I've seen is that it's
an "application browser". It's one-click to install, but lives on your
system, and it can remember stuff about you if you like. It's safer than
something which can manipulate your file system, so it's easier to try new
tools.

You can use Flash as a standalone application if you'd like. This Central
project offers something a little different, with its own novel advantages.

More here:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/jd_forum

jd

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:03:20 -0800
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Read the whitepaper guys. It's good stuff.
Here's a rundown though:

* Intercommunication between applications created by different
developers via XML.
* "Central" environment to try/buy applications located in the
Macromedia Exchange.
* Integrated purchasing model for developers. Makes distributing
and selling your apps easier.
* URLCache - caches dynamic content (XML, JPEG, SWF, etc.) for
use offline. Part of that Occasionally Connected thing.
* Native Web Services - SOAP & WSDL protocols.
* Native REGULAR EXPRESSIONS - YEEEAAAAH BABY!
* Built in entity conversion support. %20 to space etc.
* SSL Support - HTTPS.
* Allows running of background tasks built with ActionScript
called Agents.

-=- RuneImp
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:07:51 -0800
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REGULAR EXPRESSIONS??!?!?!?!

hehe - I had only dreamed it could be true.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:13:30 +0100
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One thing that came to mind is that the Central would allow me to distribute
applications built with screenweaver, but without the added Screenweaver
functionality (API stuff). So, kind of like a trimmed down version of the
full application.
This would allow one to try the application and if they'd like it, they could
get (or buy) the full application (the full screenweaver built version).

If that's what Central is about (or one of the possibilities) I look forward
to that :-)

regards,
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:29:15 -0400
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Sometimes I wonder if MM has become too gun-shy in this area.

Sometimes I think hell is a sandbox.

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Old 03-28-2003, 12:34 AM   #2
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hmmm looks interesting

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dag....i read half way.... to be continue for me....
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Yup... Interesting stuff it is...
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MM seem to be releasing an awful lot of new products lately.
I sure hope they're not overstretching themselves. Wouldn't want quality to slip
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true - would be nice if they put a bit of effort into fixing all the mx bugs...
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Amen...
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F4 was pretty much bug free. Admitedly it was much simpler than 5 or MX but it was still a major leap from F3.
F5 was a quantum leap from the previous version and only contained a few bugs but MX seems to have quite a few .. umm ... 'features'

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macromedia are the only major software company I know that don't release minor updates to their software (other than the Flash player of course)

little bugs I can live with...constant crashing I can live with...but major things like the named anchors (which was one of the top ten new features!!) not working on mac browsers - that's just crap.
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:27:44 -0600
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> It has an internal API for making SOAP based web service requests.

Unfortunately, it doesn't run on the desktop. When is a soap interface
going to make it into plain vanilla flash? I'm tired of parsing through the
stuff to find what I need.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:29:43 -0600
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> Well, it sounds like you want an .EXE then.... ;-)

Exactly!

> Standalone native-code applications are great. But you really have to trust
> someone to let their code execute on your machine. The downloads are pretty
> big too.

What's the difference between a standalone app and a flash standalone?
They're all exe's, and people should think before they run them regardless
of the platform they were built on. I just think constraining us to a
sandbox in an exe is excessively paranoid.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:49:01 -0400
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Sing it Brother!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:51 -0600
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> One thing that came to mind is that the Central would allow me to distribute
> applications built with screenweaver, but without the added Screenweaver
> functionality (API stuff). So, kind of like a trimmed down version of the
> full application. This would allow one to try the application and if they'd
> like it, they could get (or buy) the full application (the full screenweaver
> built version).

I guess the real question is how come MM hasn't simply bought
Screenweaver and incorporated it into Flash? It's what we all seem to want,
and it would open whole new vertical markets for flash.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:56:34 +0100
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Well, one anwser would be that MM already has Director.

And it works the other way around, Sceenweaver incorporates Flash, but I
think I know what you meant though :-)

Personally I'm quite happy with how things are and I don't mind using a tool
like Screenweaver for creating desktop applications.
Knowing what Screenweaver is capable of, incorporating such features into
Flash would/could easily lead to abuse. And with the Flash player being so
widely spread, that's not something I'd like to see.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:10:37 -0600
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> Well, one anwser would be that MM already has Director.

Ah, yes... That old thing. : (

> Personally I'm quite happy with how things are and I don't mind using a
> tool like Screenweaver for creating desktop applications. Knowing what
> Screenweaver is capable of, incorporating such features into Flash would/
> could easily lead to abuse. And with the Flash player being so widely
> spread, that's not something I'd like to see.

It really has nothing to do with the install base of the player, because
ActiveX controls and NS plugs in the browser run in a sandbox anyway. It's
the limitations of the standalone that bother me. Of course anyone can make
a virus in about 3 minutes with a copy of delphi without even knowing what
they are doing. Hell, you can make a virus in notepad by simply changing the
extension to .vba or .js and emailing it to someone. At this point, if
people aren't checking their incoming mail for viruses and scanning the
files they download from the internet, they're probably already plagued by
viruses anyway. The potential for abuse is not a good reason to constrain
your developers to a sandbox and hold back powerful features from your
application. For example, the reason I learned VB all those years ago in the
first place was because Director was a huge steaming pile of crap that
didn't do what I wanted it to do. It never grew up. Even with a few new
features and stuff every couple years, it's still really a toy that's
capable of doing a few things well. Flash is growing up nicely, but in
comparison to other development environments, it's 30 years old and still
living at home with mom. We're rapidly approaching a decade of flash on the
web, and it's still widely regarded as a presentation tool, only slightly
better than powerpoint. If Macromedia ever wants to change that opinion
they're going to have to take a few chances and grant it some power so that
we can start doing serious application development with it.

My $0.02
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:54:01 +0100
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> It really has nothing to do with the install base of the player, because
> ActiveX controls and NS plugs in the browser run in a sandbox anyway. It's
> the limitations of the standalone that bother me.

Sandbox restrictions do not apply to standalone projectors.
Read the MM security whitepaper (if you haven't done so yet).
http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/...s/security.pdf

<security whitepaper>
The sandbox restrictions do not apply to Macromedia Flash movies and
projectors loaded from the local file system, with the following exception:
A sandbox from a Flash movie that is not a local file, may not access a local
file's sandbox. For example, if movie1.swf on a user’s local disk load
movie2.swf from an HTTP server, the following is true:
• movie1.swf and movie2.swf are granted separate sandboxes.
• movie1.swf may access the contents of movie2.swf.
• movie2.swf is barred from accessing the contents of movie1.swf.
</security whitepaper>

> Flash is growing up nicely, but in
> comparison to other development environments, it's 30 years old and still
> living at home with mom. We're rapidly approaching a decade of flash on the
> web, and it's still widely regarded as a presentation tool, only slightly
> better than powerpoint. If Macromedia ever wants to change that opinion
> they're going to have to take a few chances and grant it some power so that
> we can start doing serious application development with it.

Get Screenweaver and you'll have all the power you ever wanted... seriously.
With screenweaver, it's not like you have to learn another tool. It's all (or
mostly) done through Actionscript.
And you can extend it through using COM components etc...

regards,
Muzak

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:19:45 +0100
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> Get Screenweaver and you'll have all the power you ever wanted...
> seriously.
> With screenweaver, it's not like you have to learn another tool.
> It's all (or mostly) done through Actionscript.
> And you can extend it through using COM components etc...

Ok, just to relate it to my current problem. If I find/write a COM component
that communicates with the COM-port, can I then use Screenweaver to access
the data from that component?

If so, I'll have to take a closer look at screenweaver.

Best regards
Trond Kvalo
Senior developer
Atlantia as
Norway

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:32:50 -0600
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> hehe, can anyone give it up for VIEWSTATE? Amen.

I do miss the simplicity of a recordset, though.

ryanm

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:24:36 -0800
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Well, while I don't like the idea entirely of a sandbox
environment for Central as a developer I do understand
what there trying to do with security as a user.

It is no great shakes for a developer to run an
anti-virus scan on a application before running it after
download. Or have the ability to actually turn on the
ability to view file extensions and recognize that a
"myfav.mp3.pif" is actually a malicious virus or Trojan
instead of "myfav.mp3" with viewing file extensions turned
off. These sorts of things are far beyond the capabilities
or understanding of most users. They just want to do what
ever they want on a computer system without having to
understand the ramifications of there actions. In this
regard I fully understand Macromedias desire to create an
ultra safe environment for "users" not developers.
Remember users outnumber developers 100 to 1 (or more).

Though the inclusion of a facility to browse files (for
upload, etc.) and download files to the system does not
seem to me too much to ask for. Even if downloaded files
could only be deposited to the desktop or some other
predefined spot. This is completely different than the
ability to overwrite or append to any file on the system
and therefore should be relatively safe to implement. If
these things where added the sandbox format could have
real value for developers and users.

The sandbox thing for projectors is lame. Any programmer
could create a Trojan and make it look like a Flash
Projector. And any virus could infect a Projector and you
would never know it. There is absolutely no reason to
believe a Projector may be safe because any programmer
can imitate or modify a Projector. In the Central format
though there is value and relevance.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:26:01 -0600
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> understand the ramifications of there actions. In this
> regard I fully understand Macromedias desire to create an
> ultra safe environment for "users" not developers.
> Remember users outnumber developers 100 to 1 (or more).

Once upon a time there was a software company that had a novel idea.
They said "Let's make it as easy and convenient as possible for as many
people as possible to develop applications on our platform!" Can you guess
what happened? It became second the most popular development platform in the
history of the world, second only to *paper*, which it is catching up with
rapidly. Of course, no one wants to follow Microsoft's example, evil giant
that they are. (Smell that? That's sarcasm... ; )

> Though the inclusion of a facility to browse files (for
> upload, etc.) and download files to the system does not
> seem to me too much to ask for. Even if downloaded files
> could only be deposited to the desktop or some other
> predefined spot. This is completely different than the
> ability to overwrite or append to any file on the system
> and therefore should be relatively safe to implement. If
> these things where added the sandbox format could have
> real value for developers and users.

You can instantiate the FileSystemObject with JavaScript and create,
delete, or append to any files on the system at will. I don't see how making
it a little easier for Flash developers to do it without having to go
through an extra couple layers is going to cause any major problems.

> The sandbox thing for projectors is lame. Any programmer
> could create a Trojan and make it look like a Flash
> Projector. And any virus could infect a Projector and you
> would never know it. There is absolutely no reason to
> believe a Projector may be safe because any programmer
> can imitate or modify a Projector. In the Central format
> though there is value and relevance.

I just don't see the upside to yet another platform. Why not add the
"occasionally connected' caching ability and the SOAP interface to the Flash
standalone and let everyone take advantage of it? I guess I just don't see
the benefit of another limited platform when the existing platform hasn't
reached it's full potential yet. It's a nice idea, but wouldn't it be even
better to offer fully capable applications rather than little disconnected
web services?

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:25:05 -0500
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First off, I know I suck because I haven't read the white paper (white
papers, just the name turns me off. they should call them purple papers),
but I have read this entire thread (which is way more fun and so I don't
suck as much as some).

Perhaps someone can clarify....

I recently purchased Northcode swf studio. From what I can gather, it
offers all that central offers without the restrictions. The downside is
that you can't create Mac executables. can you with Central? Will Central
offer more than SWF studio? Am I completely barking up the wrong tree by
comparing the two?

I have an old old version of screenweaver which was great for
screensavers. The way you folks are talking about it, it sounds like
screenweaver has evolved into something more. Does anyone out there have
screenweaver and northcode swf studio? Do they compete with one another or
are they complimentary?

does anyone else get freaked out when Macromedia (or anyone for that
matter) introduces new software? Rather than thinking "oh cool a new tool"
(sorry for all the rhyming, i can't help it), I think "oh crap, more to
learn to stay sharp and competitive".

I mean, coldfusion, flash remoting, C#, .NET.... jesus h christ, I don't
have time to learn all this crap. It creates a problem. Do you learn a
little about all of it, or specialize in a few? I guess I know the answer
to that for me. Just ramblin ramblin ramblin. I wish macromedia would
just wrap it all up in one piece of software. I know that would be
impossible but sure would be less intimidating. Some of these things have
to die, like in a darwinian sense. there just too much crap on the
market. I guess were just at the beginning.

btw - thanks Ryan (?) for the long tv education. It was consumed and
understanding was increased (a little).

Kurt

btw - if you have toddlers (infant - 4 or so) check out
http://www.kneebouncers.com
a friend (who has four toddlers!) and I put it together for our own clones.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:49:04 +0100
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From: "Muzak" <p.ginneberge@pandora.be>
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> I recently purchased Northcode swf studio. From what I can gather, it
> offers all that central offers without the restrictions. The downside is
> that you can't create Mac executables. can you with Central? Will Central
> offer more than SWF studio? Am I completely barking up the wrong tree by
> comparing the two?

Yeah, I think they are two different things.
Probably the confusion is because someone started using the term "Rich
Internet Applications" (RIA) and the word *Applications* might lead to think
"oh, software", which it isn't.
Even on the MM site it says:

<quote>
Find out more about this exciting new way to develop applications at the
Macromedia Central Product Center.
</quote>

I think a better term would be "services" instead of "applications".

> I have an old old version of screenweaver which was great for
> screensavers. The way you folks are talking about it, it sounds like
> screenweaver has evolved into something more. Does anyone out there have
> screenweaver and northcode swf studio? Do they compete with one another
> or are they complimentary?

The new and old screenweaver are different tools, by a different company.
Rubberduck (the guys from flashcomponents.net) has bought screenweaver a
while ago. They then developed a new version, which was supposed to be
called "Screenweaver MX" but they had to change the name (MM made them to).
Screenweaver is much more than just a screensaver tool. And yes, SWFStudio
is there competitor (along with Flash Studio http://www.multidmedia.com/)

> does anyone else get freaked out when Macromedia (or anyone for that
> matter) introduces new software? Rather than thinking "oh cool a new
> tool" (sorry for all the rhyming, i can't help it), I think "oh crap,
> more to learn to stay sharp and competitive".
>
> I mean, coldfusion, flash remoting, C#, .NET.... jesus h christ, I don't
> have time to learn all this crap. It creates a problem. Do you learn a
> little about all of it, or specialize in a few? I guess I know the answer
> to that for me. Just ramblin ramblin ramblin. I wish macromedia would
> just wrap it all up in one piece of software. I know that would be
> impossible but sure would be less intimidating. Some of these things have
> to die, like in a darwinian sense. there just too much crap on the
> market. I guess were just at the beginning.

I remember when all the MX software came out (in a very short period of time)
I hardly got any sleep and wanted to learn all of it...
So, yes, I kinda freaked out, but more because I thought *oh cool, a new tool*
instead of *crap, more to learn*.
I do try to learn a little about all of them, just so I know what it's about
and if I will be needing/using it in future. If I think I won't be really
needing it (for production, developing, clients, etc...) then I usually forget
about it and focus on what I will be needing.
If I later on have some spare time, I sometimes pick up things where I left
them.

regards,
Muzak

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 04:55:52 -0800
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SWF Studio and Screenweaver MX (very much updated from the
previous product and a direct competitor to SWF Studio)
are very different than Central. The 1st two are intended
to extend the capabilities of an SWF into a nice
application. Creating a super projector if you will.

Central does extend an SWF as I mentioned before

* Intercommunication between applications created by different
developers via XML.
* URLCache - caches dynamic content (XML, JPEG, SWF, etc.) for
use offline. Part of that Occasionally Connected thing.
* Native Web Services - SOAP & WSDL protocols.
* Native REGULAR EXPRESSIONS - YEEEAAAAH BABY!
* Built in entity conversion support. %20 to space etc.
* SSL Support - HTTPS.
* Allows running of background tasks built with ActionScript
called Agents.

But mainly is a "central" environment intended for users to
safely (major sandbox) and easily find, try and buy Flash
applications.

* "Central" environment to try/buy applications located in the
Macromedia Exchange.
* Integrated purchasing model for developers. Makes distributing
and selling your apps easier.

Central can or will run on Windows, Mac and devices such as PPC
(PocketPC), Pilot and phones.

I personally like when new things come out like this. It's only
more to learn if you intend to utilize it yourself. Otherwise
let someone else specialize in it. You can't learn everything
in the computer world, though I'm really trying...
You just have to realize some things will probably never be part
of your skill set. I doubt I'll ever be an authority on IBM
mainframes or RS-2000s. Not that I'm really an authority on
anything but I think you get the idea...

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:13:15 -0500
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>* Native REGULAR EXPRESSIONS - YEEEAAAAH BABY!

I'm sorry. what are Regular Expressions? If you could explain I would
appreciate.

>* "Central" environment to try/buy applications located in the
> Macromedia Exchange.
>* Integrated purchasing model for developers. Makes distributing
> and selling your apps easier.

still seems like the swf studio offers many of these features. but it's
probably my lack of understanding.

>Central can or will run on Windows, Mac and devices such as PPC
>(PocketPC), Pilot and phones.

this, to me, it's strongest feature. Like Flash, the cross platform thing
is invaluable.

>I personally like when new things come out like this. It's only
>more to learn if you intend to utilize it yourself. Otherwise
>let someone else specialize in it. You can't learn everything
>in the computer world, though I'm really trying...
>You just have to realize some things will probably never be part
>of your skill set. I doubt I'll ever be an authority on IBM
>mainframes or RS-2000s. Not that I'm really an authority on
>anything but I think you get the idea...

you and Muzak and Ryan and John all seem to have an incredible amount of
knowledge on this stuff and I"m sure one of you will say, oh yeah, I've
worked on mainframes. I'm jealous. i think I have a small brain. either
that, or is it my age? Can I blame my application/language fears on being
37 years old? It's seems like the younger you are, the more computer
science is a natural part of your mental make-up. You have a built in
understanding of computer logic. If you all tell me you're older than
me, I'll shoot myself. Or at least I'll beat my dog. So don't be
responsible for min-pin abuse.

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 05:54:08 -0800
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Regular Expressions were (I think) introduced in PERL. It
is a formula mechanism for pattern matching within strings.
For example to find all words that have com you would use:

com+

This would find *com*pany, *com*plete and X-*Comm*. To
limit this to words that begin with com you would use

^com+

which would give you only *com*pany and *com*plete. This is
a very basic example and RegEx is VERY powerful and also
very fast in a system optimized for them.

SWF Studio does offer those things but not exactly. You
really need to read the whitepaper to understand it better.
Don't worry the white paper isn't very big.

Yes, cross-platform is niiice...

Don't feel bad. It's all about what your into. Also helps
if you can really focus on things to the exclusion of
taking care of yourself like forgetting to eat. I remember
when I got my first computer (an AMD 386DX-40) I literally
didn't sleep that 1st week. I spent the entire time just
playing around in DOS 5. I think the only application I
might have had at the time was Wordstar 2000. This sort of
hacker disposition is why John, Ryan, Helen and I probably
all know as much as we do about computers. Weather you have
a degree or not the attitude makes a big difference. Muzak,
well I don't want to comment too much on them foreigners...
Note that I do not know for certain if the others mentioned
have the same "eating disorder" I have. I've also gotten
much better over the years also. I always make sure I eat
at least twice between the time I get up and the next sun
rise. O

I'm 33 and fell in love with computers visiting my cousin
at age 14 seeing what he could do with a TRS-80 Model 3. All
right after War Games came out. So I'm not older than you,
be nice to the min-pin...

Though I have met people much older than I who put me to
complete shame in computer knowledge. Note that people who
can program in machine language existed before the advent
of Assembler and C. We're talking painfully intimate
knowledge of computers here... ;D

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