When will ActionScript 3.0 Be A Necessity

AniComUS · 10-24-2005, 02:15 AM

I looked at the v2 to v3 comparison list and it is shockingly different. It would seem that we need an ActionScript 3 forum and a lot of tutorials soon.

With Player 8.5 will there be good backward compatibilitiy for "removed" expressions? Will v2 survive for a long time side-by-side with v3?

Overview:
http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/inde...ipt_3:overview

V2 to V3 Comparison:
http://livedocs.macromedia.com/labs/...migration.html

oldnewbie · 10-24-2005, 02:27 AM

If you ask me... Don't think it will be, in the coming week, month or even year!

Even the Flash player 7 (on which I'm still on) hasn't yet reached it's expected penetration...

So although you might be on Flash 8, you'll still have to publish for Flash 6 or even lower, for yet some time ahead...

My 2 cents for what it's worth!

CyanBlue · 10-24-2005, 02:34 AM

Flash Player 8.5 will have two virtual machines built in...
AVM1 for AS1/2 codes and AVM2 for AS3 codes...(Remeber AS2 code gets compiled down to AS1 no matter what???)

I do agree with oldnewbie on that... About 90% of my projects at work gets published for FP6 since the main clients will be the school and I don't see it changing as fast as I want it to be... I might be able to fiddle with some 8.5 codes for fun, but it won't be applied to any of my work projects, that's for sure... Of course, it is totally different story when I talk about my personal projects, but I am somewhat hesitant to even install Flex Builder 2 on this machine... Hopefully pretty soon...

madgett · 10-24-2005, 05:07 AM

I can't wait for AS3.0, finally a more structured programming package. A lot easier to extend. Plus, will be easier to program with actionscript conforming tight to ECMAScript.

billingsgate · 10-24-2005, 09:03 AM

From the looks of it, I will curse the day when I have to use Action Script 3. For those of us from non-coding backgrounds, which according to Macromedia's own statistics, is 55 percent of its customer base, AS2 is relatively learnable and a lot is based on plain English.

It looks as if AS3 adds a lot of redundant text to the code ("flash.display.DisplayObject.scaleY" instead of "_yscale"), and also becomes more obscure from the "plain English" point of view. And it seems there will be a lot of things that will have to be un-learned and then learned again from scratch.

You coders may find this stimulating. I find it a frigging pain in the tuchas.

In any case, at least I can relax in the knowledge that it won't be an issue for at least a couple years. As with everyone else, I still have to output SWFs in either 6 or 7 format for clients. It'll be at least a year until some of them start accepting Flash 8 Player, and another 2 years or more before AS3 will be practical. By then I hope to be so rich and successful that I'll hire one of you wonderful and brilliant people to do the coding for me!

jsebrech · 10-24-2005, 12:24 PM

billingsgate, things won't change as much as you think. Some stuff gets renamed, but it won't be like you think it will. Your example is not an actual problem. You'll just have to substitute scaleY for _yscale, and things should work fine.

There are some things that will make it a lot easier to code. Like how function objects now remember the object in which they were created, so you no longer need to use Delegate when attaching event handlers to listeners. That'll lead to a big decrease of questions of the sort here, which seems to crop up constantly.

Clox · 10-24-2005, 04:04 PM

i'll have to say to me it looks like AS is turning into a more logical language

AniComUS · 10-24-2005, 05:10 PM

Where Will We Be Able To Use V3? Will We Have To Buy Flash 9, Or Flex2, Or Will Be Able To Use V3 With Flash 8 (perhaps With Some Download Plugin)? When And Where Will That Be Possible?

If We Will Have A Year Or Two Of Grace Before It Becomes A Standard, I Would Like To Get Moving On A Path Of Learning.

Do You Think That New Swf Files Written In V3 Would Be Able To Play Old Swf Files Written In V2 If Those Old Swf Files Are Loaded Into The New Swf File?

CyanBlue · 10-24-2005, 05:29 PM

You could use AS 3.0 by using the alpha version of the Flex Builder 2 which you can download from here...
http://labs.macromedia.com/

Since it will be an alpha version of AS 3.0 as well, there is chance something might be changing in the long run, but you won't suffer much because of that...

As for your V2 files loading into V3 file question, that's something you'll need to experiment and let us know...

jsebrech · 10-25-2005, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AniComUS

Where Will We Be Able To Use V3? Will We Have To Buy Flash 9, Or Flex2, Or Will Be Able To Use V3 With Flash 8 (perhaps With Some Download Plugin)? When And Where Will That Be Possible?

AS3 in flash would be available only in a new version of flash, probably flash 9.

10-24-2005, 02:15 AM	#1
AniComUS Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 79	When will ActionScript 3.0 Be A Necessity I looked at the v2 to v3 comparison list and it is shockingly different. It would seem that we need an ActionScript 3 forum and a lot of tutorials soon. With Player 8.5 will there be good backward compatibilitiy for "removed" expressions? Will v2 survive for a long time side-by-side with v3? Overview: http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/inde...ipt_3:overview V2 to V3 Comparison: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/labs/...migration.html

10-24-2005, 02:34 AM	#3
CyanBlue Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 24,880	Flash Player 8.5 will have two virtual machines built in... AVM1 for AS1/2 codes and AVM2 for AS3 codes...(Remeber AS2 code gets compiled down to AS1 no matter what???) I do agree with oldnewbie on that... About 90% of my projects at work gets published for FP6 since the main clients will be the school and I don't see it changing as fast as I want it to be... I might be able to fiddle with some 8.5 codes for fun, but it won't be applied to any of my work projects, that's for sure... Of course, it is totally different story when I talk about my personal projects, but I am somewhat hesitant to even install Flex Builder 2 on this machine... Hopefully pretty soon... __________________ CyanBlue / Jason Je / Macromedia Certified Flash Developer & Designer http://CyanBlue.FlashVacuum.com http://www.FlashVacuum.com http://tutorials.FlashVacuum.com Do NOT PM, Email or Call me... Your question belongs right in this forum...

10-24-2005, 04:04 PM	#7
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10-24-2005, 05:10 PM	#8
AniComUS Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 79	Follow Up Question Where Will We Be Able To Use V3? Will We Have To Buy Flash 9, Or Flex2, Or Will Be Able To Use V3 With Flash 8 (perhaps With Some Download Plugin)? When And Where Will That Be Possible? If We Will Have A Year Or Two Of Grace Before It Becomes A Standard, I Would Like To Get Moving On A Path Of Learning. Do You Think That New Swf Files Written In V3 Would Be Able To Play Old Swf Files Written In V2 If Those Old Swf Files Are Loaded Into The New Swf File?

10-24-2005, 05:29 PM	#9
CyanBlue Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 24,880	You could use AS 3.0 by using the alpha version of the Flex Builder 2 which you can download from here... http://labs.macromedia.com/ Since it will be an alpha version of AS 3.0 as well, there is chance something might be changing in the long run, but you won't suffer much because of that... As for your V2 files loading into V3 file question, that's something you'll need to experiment and let us know... __________________ CyanBlue / Jason Je / Macromedia Certified Flash Developer & Designer http://CyanBlue.FlashVacuum.com http://www.FlashVacuum.com http://tutorials.FlashVacuum.com Do NOT PM, Email or Call me... Your question belongs right in this forum...

10-24-2005, 02:27 AM	#2
oldnewbie Banned by AS.org Staff Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10,534	If you ask me... Don't think it will be, in the coming week, month or even year! Even the Flash player 7 (on which I'm still on) hasn't yet reached it's expected penetration... So although you might be on Flash 8, you'll still have to publish for Flash 6 or even lower, for yet some time ahead... My 2 cents for what it's worth!


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10-24-2005, 05:07 AM	#4
madgett is my last name... Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 964	I can't wait for AS3.0, finally a more structured programming package. A lot easier to extend. Plus, will be easier to program with actionscript conforming tight to ECMAScript.

10-24-2005, 09:03 AM	#5
billingsgate Cartoons & Animation Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: while (_root = USA) {_global.china.hongKong = myHome;} Posts: 291	From the looks of it, I will curse the day when I have to use Action Script 3. For those of us from non-coding backgrounds, which according to Macromedia's own statistics, is 55 percent of its customer base, AS2 is relatively learnable and a lot is based on plain English. It looks as if AS3 adds a lot of redundant text to the code ("flash.display.DisplayObject.scaleY" instead of "_yscale"), and also becomes more obscure from the "plain English" point of view. And it seems there will be a lot of things that will have to be un-learned and then learned again from scratch. You coders may find this stimulating. I find it a frigging pain in the tuchas. In any case, at least I can relax in the knowledge that it won't be an issue for at least a couple years. As with everyone else, I still have to output SWFs in either 6 or 7 format for clients. It'll be at least a year until some of them start accepting Flash 8 Player, and another 2 years or more before AS3 will be practical. By then I hope to be so rich and successful that I'll hire one of you wonderful and brilliant people to do the coding for me!

10-24-2005, 12:24 PM	#6
jsebrech Joeri Sebrechts Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,462	billingsgate, things won't change as much as you think. Some stuff gets renamed, but it won't be like you think it will. Your example is not an actual problem. You'll just have to substitute scaleY for _yscale, and things should work fine. There are some things that will make it a lot easier to code. Like how function objects now remember the object in which they were created, so you no longer need to use Delegate when attaching event handlers to listeners. That'll lead to a big decrease of questions of the sort here, which seems to crop up constantly.

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